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Tingjonki's Photo Tingjonki Jun 28 2012

Each nation has a module weakness and engine is Germany's. Its not like USSR doesn't get a module weakness with its weak ammo racks,weak turret rings,and fuel tanks, heck in my experience with Russian meds and heavies I've seen both frontal ammo racks and frontal fuel fires.With American tanks they have weak module's all round, In my T29 even with its 270mm of mantel armor I've seen a m18 with the 76mm break my gun or many other tanks with low pen.It just seems selfish that German tanks shouldn't get some sort of weakness.
Edited by Tingjonki, Jun 28 2012 - 18:37.
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PanzerKriegen39's Photo PanzerKriegen39 Jun 28 2012

because there is a lot of cry babies in every sect
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BB_Alphawolf's Photo BB_Alphawolf Jun 28 2012

I seem to get more fires on my Russian and french tanks now, than I do the Germans. Neither here nor there. Its part of the game.
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generalTGR's Photo generalTGR Jun 28 2012

Well u didnt even mention the french's weakness(es) but u do have a point the germans dont really have a weakness
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TimTh33nchant3r's Photo TimTh33nchant3r Jun 28 2012

Oh is that why I always get fuel tank hit messages?  Good to know.  +1 for you.
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generalTGR's Photo generalTGR Jun 28 2012

Ha i hardly get any fires in my arl 44
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BandofBrothers101's Photo BandofBrothers101 Jun 28 2012

Germany- low pen, engine damage, huge ass targets, slow... germany has more than one weakness man, and it is by far the worst tree in the game so far..not saying the tanks are bad, but outclassed seems to perfectly describe the situation they are in,  high pen guns implemented in the last few matches make the germans look like garbage (statistically and technically wise)

btw, the OP doesn't have a german tank above tier 5... if  he had to face T110 and IS4 and IS7 and 50B's vs E100's or maus, I don't know if he would have the same opinion...
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Cybergod's Photo Cybergod Jun 28 2012

I don't know. I haven't been, My E-50 has only caught fire once since the patch.
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Leoperd_2_ace's Photo Leoperd_2_ace Jun 28 2012

ammo racks and fuel tanks rarly explode, and nither of those are detramental to movement of the tank
while the gun may get damaged the tank can still move to get to cover

with the german tansmissions if it gets hit, you are stuck in the open to get hit even more and german tanks run on gasoline while is easier to set on fire, the russian tanks running on desiel
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Magormor's Photo Magormor Jun 28 2012

Me in maus, T29 shoots my turret with HE, does 50ish dmg  - engine fire.  Fun stuff.   :)  not whining, kus i dont care i just had a **** face as how it happens, but if you understand the modal layout of the Maus you get it but ugggg its still silly.
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2_minutes_hate's Photo 2_minutes_hate Jun 28 2012

A T-50 thought about shooting my Ausf. B and the engine burst into flames
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1SLUGGO1's Photo 1SLUGGO1 Jun 28 2012

 Tingjonki, on Jun 28 2012 - 18:11, said:

Each nation has a module weakness and engine is Germany's. Its not like USSR doesn't get a module weakness with its weak ammo racks and fuel tank, heck in my experience with Russian meds and heavies I've seen both frontal ammo racks and frontal fuel fires.With American tanks they have weak module's all round, In my T29 even with its 270mm of mantel armor I've seen a m18 with the 76mm break my gun or many other tanks with low pen.It just seems selfish that German tanks shouldn't get some sort of weakness.

Tanks in WWII usually suffered from ammo rack fires/explosions and the occasional fuel fire (generally, the tank would have already been knocked out when the fuel caught fire).  Transmissions were loaded up front because a hull penetrating round would hit it instead of crew, for maintenance, and it wouldn't magically burst into flame, like say, ammunition and petrol does.

Having a front tranny isn't a big deal, having transmissions that catch fire for no reason whatsoever is kind of a big deal, to dedicated German tank players.

Personally, I get fuel fires, and I get ammo racks, and I get guns, crew, and other module damage.  But hitting an engine should mean engine damage, not magical fire from Mordor.  It's not historically accurate, even if the transmission location is accurate.
Edited by 1SLUGGO1, Jun 28 2012 - 18:27.
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Takanashi_Rikka's Photo Takanashi_Rikka Jun 28 2012

 Cybergod, on Jun 28 2012 - 18:23, said:

I don't know. I haven't been, My E-50 has only caught fire once since the patch.

Me neither. I haven't even taken engine damage.
Maybe people complain about it because they are so used to all this German nerfing that they feel they must complain about every little thing. I play German tanks also but I don't see anything wrong with them except for the large size but even then it's not that big of a deal, it's better than being a rolling box of fireworks like the Russian tanks.
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Tingjonki's Photo Tingjonki Jun 28 2012

 BandofBrothers101, on Jun 28 2012 - 18:16, said:

Germany- low pen, engine damage, huge ass targets, slow... germany has more than one weakness man, and it is by far the worst tree in the game so far..not saying the tanks are bad, but outclassed seems to perfectly describe the situation they are in
they get better accuracy and i've noticed a significant difference in German and the other nations accuracy
another thing they get is better armor sure soviet tanks have better slopes but have easy weak-spots and cant angle their armor like German tanks can making German tanks better at defending than the other nations I can name MANY tanks where German tanks > Soviet in armor.The tallness of German tanks is actually a strength  if your being face-hugged by a soviet tank they are ridiculasly easy to beat with their turret ring being more prominent  than other nations or turret roof and if your being face-hugged by a american tank their big cupolas are easier to hit due to how tall you are

 generalTGR, on Jun 28 2012 - 18:13, said:

Well u didnt even mention the french's weakness(es) but u do have a point the germans dont really have a weakness
honestly French have a weakness in engine, ammo rack and tracks
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1SLUGGO1's Photo 1SLUGGO1 Jun 28 2012

 Leoperd_2_ace, on Jun 28 2012 - 18:24, said:

german tanks run on gasoline while is easier to set on fire, the russian tanks running on desiel

Well, ingame this may be true, but it couldn't be farther from reality if it tried.  Diesel is actually more difficult to extinguish, so it is far more dangerous when lit than petrol (gasoline).
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BandofBrothers101's Photo BandofBrothers101 Jun 28 2012

 Tingjonki, on Jun 28 2012 - 18:26, said:

they get better accuracy and i've noticed a significant difference in German and the other nations accuracy
another thing they get is better armor sure soviet tanks have better slopes but have easy weak-spots and cant angle their armor like German tanks can making German tanks better at defending than the other nations I can name MANY tanks where German tanks > Soviet in armor.The tallness of German tanks is actually a strength  if your being face-hugged by a soviet tank they are ridiculasly easy to beat with their turret ring being more prominent  than other nations or turret roof and if your being face-hugged by a american tank their big cupolas are easier to hit due to how tall you are
1. What's the point of better accuracy if I usually can't pen?
2. notice how you said armor and not weakpoints... the only strong armor in a german tank is the upper glacis, and those giant ass mantlets, everything else is made out of cardboard...
3. Turret ring while I'm taller than the soviet tank, yeah, I'm gonna pen this IS4/IS7's turret ring (which is nearly impossible)..

without knowledge of higher tier gameplay on each of the tank trees, how can you have a objective opinion? I've played each tier 10, and each tie 9 medium, and the germans seem to be the inferiors to their peers...sure you can contest that I suck in german tanks, But I don't, I actually like playing them because they invoke some sort of skill to play, to stay alive, to play well in them....unless you want to somehow prove me wrong . . .
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mattwong's Photo mattwong Jun 28 2012

 1SLUGGO1, on Jun 28 2012 - 18:25, said:

Having a front tranny isn't a big deal, having transmissions that catch fire for no reason whatsoever is kind of a big deal, to dedicated German tank players.

Frankly, the operative phrase to me is "dedicated German tank players".  If someone is really keen on one particular nation's tanks, he is liable to whine incessantly whenever he feels they have a disadvantage in any area.

I have a bunch of Russian tanks, but I also have a Tiger and a Panther, and I'm not seeing this huge Russian advantage that the "dedicated German tank players" are always whining about.
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teamoldmill's Photo teamoldmill Jun 28 2012

People complain when they explode, generally.

4 out of 5 matches in my JT today, set on fire first shot from weak tanks, frontally (3601, M26, etc). That tends to make people complain. But, we have awesome accuracy to make up for it....

Wait........
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XenomorphZZ's Photo XenomorphZZ Jun 28 2012

 mattwong, on Jun 28 2012 - 18:39, said:


Frankly, the operative phrase to me is "dedicated German tank players".  If someone is really keen on one particular nation's tanks, he is liable to whine incessantly whenever he feels they have a disadvantage in any area.

I have a bunch of Russian tanks, but I also have a Tiger and a Panther, and I'm not seeing this huge Russian advantage that the "dedicated German tank players" are always whining about.

Well said.
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Garnett101st's Photo Garnett101st Jun 28 2012

German tanks have ammo rack weakness, and bullshit engine/transmission weakness. (4502b gets ammo rack damaged every side shot practically)

Russian tanks are ammo, and that's ONLY on some tanks, like T44.

American tanks lose their crewmen.
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