Main battle Tank
dcr162
Dec 15 2011
Mikoyan1, on Dec 15 2011 - 22:36, said:
what do you belive is the best modern army tank?
Explain your choice.
Explain your choice.
JRod101st
Dec 15 2011
Time2Fly, on Dec 15 2011 - 22:39, said:
well the newest one is the South Korean one.
The ROK tank is a diesel version of the Abrams with a smaller gun.
JRod101st
Dec 15 2011
Landon05, on Dec 15 2011 - 22:52, said:
i wish i can drive a REAL tank...sounds like fun
How close are you Minnesota?
IronsightSniper
Dec 16 2011
JRod101st, on Dec 15 2011 - 23:01, said:
The ROK tank is a diesel version of the Abrams with a smaller gun.
It's actually an Abrams, completely modernized, up-armored, and filled with state of the art electronics. It has a bigger gun then the Abrams, too.
SoukouDragon
Dec 16 2011
The black panther is the K2
The K1 is the Korean tank that is based largely on the Abrams back in the late 80s.
K2 is a much newer design drawing from characteristics of several different tanks but mixed with a lot of new Korean tech. The M1 Abrams and K2 are very different.
As for best tank...State the mission please!
City combat...MerkIV
Deep country...T-90
In the mountains...K2 Black Panther
Catch my drift?
The K1 is the Korean tank that is based largely on the Abrams back in the late 80s.
K2 is a much newer design drawing from characteristics of several different tanks but mixed with a lot of new Korean tech. The M1 Abrams and K2 are very different.
As for best tank...State the mission please!
City combat...MerkIV
Deep country...T-90
In the mountains...K2 Black Panther
Catch my drift?
blurr91
Dec 16 2011
Do numbers count? Because I think there are more M1 Abrams made than the rest of the tanks on that list combined.
Mechanize
Dec 21 2011
SoukouDragon, on Dec 16 2011 - 21:05, said:
The black panther is the K2
The K1 is the Korean tank that is based largely on the Abrams back in the late 80s.
K2 is a much newer design drawing from characteristics of several different tanks but mixed with a lot of new Korean tech. The M1 Abrams and K2 are very different.
As for best tank...State the mission please!
City combat...MerkIV
Deep country...T-90
In the mountains...K2 Black Panther
Catch my drift?
The K1 is the Korean tank that is based largely on the Abrams back in the late 80s.
K2 is a much newer design drawing from characteristics of several different tanks but mixed with a lot of new Korean tech. The M1 Abrams and K2 are very different.
As for best tank...State the mission please!
City combat...MerkIV
Deep country...T-90
In the mountains...K2 Black Panther
Catch my drift?
The Merkava, Like many Israeli tanks/modified foreign tanks delivered to Israel are also designed for optimal performance in sandy/arid desert conditions due to obvious reasons.
Kazunemaru
Dec 21 2011
Couldn't help but notice, no Japanese Type 10? does Japan not count? or does the Type 10 not count?
The 13 prototypes have been accepted and its been approved for production.
The 13 prototypes have been accepted and its been approved for production.
Mechanize
Dec 21 2011
Kazunemaru, on Dec 21 2011 - 19:52, said:
Couldn't help but notice, no Japanese Type 10? does Japan not count? or does the Type 10 not count?
The 13 prototypes have been accepted and its been approved for production.
The 13 prototypes have been accepted and its been approved for production.
I think the problem with the Type 10 in the context of voting for it in a "best Modern MBT" poll is that It's a really, really new design that surely has lots of potential with what little we've seen of it so far, But we really have yet to see how it truly performs (Mainly under all conditions.) before the tank community can really put alot of consideration into it.
Plus I think alot of tankers are put off by It's relatively light weight which could theoretically mean less protection, But we really dont know for sure yet.
ed_anger
Dec 21 2011
SoukouDragon
Dec 22 2011
Mechanize, on Dec 21 2011 - 18:33, said:
The Merkava, Like many Israeli tanks/modified foreign tanks delivered to Israel are also designed for optimal performance in sandy/arid desert conditions due to obvious reasons.
Yea, sure, I can see that. MerkIV is probably best tank for both city and desert missions.
zcv45
Dec 27 2011
leclerc because of the armor capabilities of taking hand-held anti-tank.Yes foot soldiers because they would be in urban areas.
Why not rural areas?Well the danger of air power rises and no matter what it is easier to kill people on foot than planes in a tank.
the cities will limit the tank movement. or easier to get stuck but hey, first, mountains and swamp area can get tanks stuck or limit movement too...
Only open plains will give tanks movement but jets can kill you easily!
Helicopters can come and destroy tanks like jets can do strikes but it is just simply harder.
i think tanks is going to be soon like battleships.tanks vulnerable to air and foot soldiers in close combat.
So they will be useless nearly every where in the future.Soldiers will be harder to target for planes.While planes will probably stay in service since currently only AA rockets is effective.
AA machine guns are less effective since jets are too high for guns to hit.
Why not rural areas?Well the danger of air power rises and no matter what it is easier to kill people on foot than planes in a tank.
the cities will limit the tank movement. or easier to get stuck but hey, first, mountains and swamp area can get tanks stuck or limit movement too...
Only open plains will give tanks movement but jets can kill you easily!
Helicopters can come and destroy tanks like jets can do strikes but it is just simply harder.
i think tanks is going to be soon like battleships.tanks vulnerable to air and foot soldiers in close combat.
So they will be useless nearly every where in the future.Soldiers will be harder to target for planes.While planes will probably stay in service since currently only AA rockets is effective.
AA machine guns are less effective since jets are too high for guns to hit.
Antosha_
Dec 27 2011
zcv45, on Dec 27 2011 - 03:16, said:
leclerc because of the armor capabilities of taking hand-held anti-tank.Yes foot soldiers because they would be in urban areas.
I've done some reading on the AMX-56 and am always left at a loss as to why it's never even given a footnote in discussions of "best mbt" , while likewise unproven vehicles of both western and eastern origin like T-90S/MS, Leo II, etc are always present.
I ask the modern armor experts or crewmen - is there something basically wrong with the Leclerc? Or does it simply get the "French" treatment.
FreeFOXMIKE
Dec 27 2011
http://www.youtube.c...&v=YVkMD-T84JY#!
I like the fact the ammo is stored well to save the crew from blast,and they can carry its own breaching squad.
I like the fact the ammo is stored well to save the crew from blast,and they can carry its own breaching squad.
Mechanize
Dec 27 2011
gabriel, on Dec 27 2011 - 03:44, said:
I've done some reading on the AMX-56 and am always left at a loss as to why it's never even given a footnote in discussions of "best mbt" , while likewise unproven vehicles of both western and eastern origin like T-90S/MS, Leo II, etc are always present.
I ask the modern armor experts or crewmen - is there something basically wrong with the Leclerc? Or does it simply get the "French" treatment.
I ask the modern armor experts or crewmen - is there something basically wrong with the Leclerc? Or does it simply get the "French" treatment.
I'd bet money It's mostly the whole French thing, mostly the same reason Soviet/Russian tanks almost always get immediately discredited simply because of their origins.
I really think the French do get treated unfairly due to their relatively quick defeat in WW2 and the First Indochina War, (Which the United States and some Oceanic allies tried to quell and also failed even though it was more us just giving up then a huge defeat.) But really, Conquering Vietnam was a pretty amazing feat in the first place since the Vietnamese have, historically speaking been very worthy adversaries even when heavily out manned or out equipped.
