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[Chaosticket]

T-43 is plain bad compared to its predecessor, its a trade off over the t-34-85. It has better hull armor, worse turret armor. It has to redo the grind of track-turret-gun making it a longer grind than t-34-85, to mount the same gun.

Its got a little more speed on the 100mm. armor is weak for its tier. Overall its just a smaller, weaker panther 1 really. Panther armor can actually block shots, higher DPM, higher penetration, but less mobility and larger.
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Its should be a tier 6 really, just take off the 100mm. the Real life t-43 was passed over as it was just an armor upgrade over the t-34, but still had the 76mm, and same engine with more weight=less mobility.

the T-34-85 was what became mass produced as it helped the main fault in the t-34, the lagging firepower compared to the Panzer 4 and the ez8 sherman, which were armed with 75mm/76mm anti tank guns, respectively.

[kidnoob]

play more with that tank and you can learn some thing for t44  

[Silty]

Yeah, now that we have the KV-13, we don't really need the T-43 on tier 7 anymore.  I agree.

[Chaosticket]

kv-13 has, aside from gun, much better armor and speed than t-34-85 and t-43. Its main point is its undermed for tier 7, like the VK 3002DB.
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In terms of armor the T-43 is as much a downgrade as upgrade. Like I said, worse turret armor.

This topic isnt about opinion, but more about facts.

[Scaevola]

Yeah what I liked about the T-34-85 was its mantlet. Very powerful for its tier and allowed you to bounce pretty much anything in tier 6. It can easily bounce 175 pen. Furthermore with that low profile finding a tank corpse to hull down on is incredibly easy. Aim for American heavy tanks, Soviet heavy tanks, or others with a low hull profile.

[Firemoth]

my T43 was so memorable i can recall absolutely nothing from it. if my stats didnt show that i had spent 227 games in it i would have been hard pressed to tell you i even played the tank.

it strangely enough does also have the best win % of all my russian meds, which is bizarre considering i really cant recall what it was even like to drive

[Antosha_]

T-43 is totally forgettable tank (it lacks personality because it is essentially the same vehicle as the tier before) but I don't see it as being so bad that it need be removed.

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PzKpfw V Panther        50.18%            
T-43                            50.26%            
KV-13                            49.77%              
T20                             49.42%              
VK 3002 (DB)                        49.93%            

http://forum.worldof...ver-statistics/

[Okeano]

75mm of sloped armor will be competely OP at tier 6, unless they nerf its mobility hard. Funny enough I remember my T-43 from circling an IS-4 to death in city. It's competitive at tier 7 and offers gun + mobility over armor as alternative to KV-13, no reason to change it.

[Stickeye]

The T-43 is a waste of space.  I hated it in Beta and free XP'ed right past it.

[Okeano]

*Sigh* am I the only one that enjoyed this tank and thought the combination of near T-44 track responds time and frontally mounted turret to be godly?  

[TheGhostCat]

 Chaosticket, on Mar 09 2012 - 06:47, said:

T-43 is plain bad compared to its predecessor, its a trade off over the t-34-85. It has better hull armor, worse turret armor. It has to redo the grind of track-turret-gun making it a longer grind than t-34-85, to mount the same gun.


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I will respectfully disagree. I never cared to the 34/85, and honestly the T-43 was rather 'meh' to me.  But its a good tank, a solid performer. The only tier 7 medium I haven't played is the 13/90. The T-43 definitely has its advantages over the t20 & panther - just has they have different advantages over the t-43.  The t-43 is a nice brawler, and can get a few more hits then the T20, its also a very under-estimated tank!  I enjoyed teaching t59's and Tigers to respect the idiot gun!

And you better get used to the idiot gun - because you'll effectively be playing that for the whole RU medium line.

I will tell you that then T-44 with the BL1 and a vert stab is pretty fun.  Fav RU medium this far.

[Silty]

 Okeano, on Mar 09 2012 - 15:37, said:

75mm of sloped armor will be competely OP at tier 6

Really?  Isn't its armor comparable to the VK3601H and Sherman Jumbo?  If they nerf its gun to the 85mm (it was actually historically armed with a 76mm), it would a balanced "heavily armored" medium just like them, wouldn't it?

[Okeano]

 Silty, on Mar 09 2012 - 19:18, said:

Really?  Isn't its armor comparable to the VK3601H and Sherman Jumbo?  If they nerf its gun to the 85mm (it was actually historically armed with a 76mm), it would a balanced "heavily armored" medium just like them, wouldn't it?

Yeah but it's much more agile that either of the 2, and even the 85 would be much better than the PoS gun jumbo gets, that's why I said unless they nerf its mobility hard. It's doing just fine at tier 7 according to global stats so there's not really a need to do all those adjustments to make it a tier 6   .

[PanzerHyeena]

 Okeano, on Mar 09 2012 - 15:47, said:

*Sigh* am I the only one that enjoyed this tank and thought the combination of near T-44 track responds time and frontally mounted turret to be godly?  

No I actually liked the T-43, in both beta and release.

I found it fun with the 85mm or the 100mm. Fun tank and just fine at its tier.

[danredda1616]

 TheGhostCat, on Mar 09 2012 - 16:17, said:

The only tier 7 medium I haven't played is the 13/90

Just thought i'd point out that the 13 90 is actually a light tank.

As for the T-43, i personally didn't mind it, mind you i had it a week after release so was top almost all of my games. I found that it had slightly more armour and could take a bit more of a beating that the T-34-85. The key thing you have to remember is that you are a MEDIUM tank not a heavy, and as such you must keep this in mind when fighting other tanks. Most heavies will be able to pen you if they are upgraded and almost every tank at your tier will. the best way to help this tank is that if you are facing an enemy, angle at about 10 degrees or so, this increases the chance of a bounce. This tank is pretty decent for its tier as it can dish out quite some damage and scoot away rather easily. At least it's not the t-20 - bad gun and horrible hull armour.

T-43
VII 100 mm D10T 230/230/330(HP) 175/235/50(mm) 9.68(r/m) 0.37(m) 2.0(s)
76/60/60mm Hull (Sloped)
90/62/62(mm) 52(d/s) 400(m) Turret

T20
VII  90 mm Gun M3  240/240/320HP  160/243/45mm  7.31 r/m  0.33m  2s
63.5/50/38mm Hull (not sloped)
88.9/63.5/63.5mm  48d/s  440m "upgraded" turret

As i have posted, the t43 is not that bad of the tier 7 meds

[EatingDirt]

 danredda1616, on Mar 17 2012 - 14:12, said:

Just thought i'd point out that the 13 90 is actually a light tank.

As for the T-43, i personally didn't mind it, mind you i had it a week after release so was top almost all of my games. I found that it had slightly more armour and could take a bit more of a beating that the T-34-85. The key thing you have to remember is that you are a MEDIUM tank not a heavy, and as such you must keep this in mind when fighting other tanks. Most heavies will be able to pen you if they are upgraded and almost every tank at your tier will. the best way to help this tank is that if you are facing an enemy, angle at about 10 degrees or so, this increases the chance of a bounce. This tank is pretty decent for its tier as it can dish out quite some damage and scoot away rather easily. At least it's not the t-20 - bad gun and horrible hull armour.

T-43
VII 100 mm D10T 230/230/330(HP) 175/235/50(mm) 9.68(r/m) 0.37(m) 2.0(s)
76/60/60mm Hull (Sloped)
90/62/62(mm) 52(d/s) 400(m) Turret

T20
VII  90 mm Gun M3  240/240/320HP  160/243/45mm  7.31 r/m  0.33m  2s
63.5/50/38mm Hull (not sloped)
88.9/63.5/63.5mm  48d/s  440m "upgraded" turret

As i have posted, the t43 is not that bad of the tier 7 meds

Your stats are off on both guns, and in fact the front armor of the T20 has sloped frontal armor, though not on it's sides.

They're also wrong for the guns.

The max r/m of the 100 on the T-43 is 7.03. On the 90, 9.01. A fair difference in DPM.

Another advantage that is not in the stat sheets would be the turret depression the T20 has and yet another advantage is both the accuracy, the aim time and the fact that a T20 can mount vertical stabilizers on it, all huge advantages. The T20 is faster as well, being a few tons lighter with the same horsepower(though its traverse is very slightly slower).

Really the problem with the T-43 is it's just a 34/85 with more hitpoints, that has an even harder time hull down because of the downgraded turret and the higher tier competition(T-43's turret however for whatever strange reason is still heavier than the 34/85's).

[danredda1616]

 EatingDirt, on Mar 17 2012 - 20:52, said:

Your stats are off on both guns, and in fact the front armor of the T20 has sloped frontal armor, though not on it's sides.

They're also wrong for the guns.

The max r/m of the 100 on the T-43 is 7.03. On the 90, 9.01. A fair difference in DPM.

Another advantage that is not in the stat sheets would be the turret depression the T20 has and yet another advantage is both the accuracy, the aim time and the fact that a T20 can mount vertical stabilizers on it, all huge advantages. The T20 is faster as well, being a few tons lighter with the same horsepower(though its traverse is very slightly slower).

Really the problem with the T-43 is it's just a 34/85 with more hitpoints, that has an even harder time hull down because of the downgraded turret and the higher tier competition(T-43's turret however for whatever strange reason is still heavier than the 34/85's).

I just got the stats of wiki.worldoftanks.com (slopes etc. come from experience, and i pen the front of the t20 so easily, i thought it wasn't sloped) so if there are any inaccuracies, ill let them know. If i remember right the D10T gun fire rate ranges from 7 something to this 9 figure, where the 9 is the RoF in the IS-4 lol

[NergiZed]

I just sold my T-43 now that I've finished grinding through it, kept the crew for a future T-44, also bought back T-34-85 and put in old crew for more fun. Can't wait to buy the KV-13, which I unlocked a while ago, as well as T-44 once I get enough money.

[MalikCarr]

At Tier 7 why are you driving the T-43 anyway? It's a purely "eh" tank, the decent D-10T in terms of damage and penetration but the poor accuracy and aim time as well as the huge dispersal when the tank is moving makes it mediocre at both sniping and brawling.

Meanwhile, you could be driving an IS, which I swear has better handling, assuredly better armor, and the glorious D-25T.

I hocked my T-43 as soon as I was done with it, and then later picked up the KV-13 as a curiosity. If the KV-13's gun was a little better it would be the superior tank in basically every way.

[Gank]

 Firemoth, on Mar 09 2012 - 13:22, said:

my T43 was so memorable i can recall absolutely nothing from it. if my stats didnt show that i had spent 227 games in it i would have been hard pressed to tell you i even played the tank.

it strangely enough does also have the best win % of all my russian meds, which is bizarre considering i really cant recall what it was even like to drive

I just finished grinding it, so let me refresh your memory. BORING. Thats what it's like. I also have one of my highest win rates in it as well and over a kill/per game, which is bizzrre as I just don't like this tank.