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[GENPATT0N]

For the Sherman’s defense it was designed to be fast and effective not take a lot of hits (in a lot of cases a PZIV could easily kill a Sherman in one shot, and was nothing to the tiger in one shot as well) now as for the Sherman it couldn’t even penetrate the sides or the front of the German tanks therefore had to rely on "hot" rounds to shakem up a bit and blind them while tactically maneuvering around the enemy for a weak spot.

(The Germans)(first half of war) had the best armor and gun until the t-34 stepped up with sloped armor but was countered by being shot in the neck (in-between hull and turret) a lot of times these tanks leaked fuel which was used at an advantage by the Germans setting the enemy on fire from this what many engineers said "very poor design" these tanks didn’t last long because there survivability rate was horribly low aka the Russians didn’t care about their people (side note: they put magnetic mines on their troops and sent them on suicide runs to the tiger tanks) but the tiger met its arch enemy the JS as most people who do not know there history this is the IS a response to the tiger series.

Now as most of us history buffs know the T 54 is a flaming tank (no pun intended) it had a magnesium engine caught itself on fire frequently and was an insult to engineering design....that's all I got on that tank any whom

What do you know and can share with the community?

Let’s make the noobs "smarter" together


[The more negative marks I get, just shows how many noobs I encounter.]

[smiley119]

Spent 4 years reading Wiki and about tanks in books (yes still had books back then   )... though some stuff has slipped since college ...

Used to be a passion of mine

[otakuben]

After the complaints about teh type 59 I started reading about it and lol'ed when people complained about it being from the 60's and thus is advanced. Silly players...

[Hihibob]

I put "I don't care" because it all depends on the tank. I know a good deal about the Shermans, but not on my Patton.

[ohsi]

GENPATT0N, on Mar 24 2012 - 03:09, said:

alot of times these tanks (T-34) leaked fuel which was used at an advantage by the germans setting the enemy on fire (¿?) from this what many engineers said "very poor design"

(of course, that's why Germans took the T-34 design and developed the Panther after it...)

GENPATT0N, on Mar 24 2012 - 03:09, said:

these tanks didnt last long because there survivability rate was horribly low

(Perhaps a world war was going on there, maybe the Russians were fighting for their invaded country and their murdered civilians, mothers, sisters, sons).

GENPATT0N, on Mar 24 2012 - 03:09, said:

aka the russians didnt care about there people (side note: they put magnetic mines on there troops and sent them on suicide runs to the tiger tanks)

(Russians were always evil people, that's what hollywood tell us)

[easy8tanker]

I only know about World War II tanks and some Korean War era tanks. I don't find modern wars to be that fasinating as WWII or the Korean War.

[jedilegolas]

ohsi, on Mar 24 2012 - 03:29, said:

(of course, that's why Germans took the T-34 design and developed the Panther after it...)



(Perhaps a world war was going on there, maybe the Russians were fighting for their invaded country and their murdered civilians, mothers, sisters, sons).



(Russians were always evil people, that's what hollywood tell us)

While the russians were fighting a war of ideological survival for the motherland, you cannot deny that sending militian members as young as 14 with ww1 rifles to be speedbumps for german tanks was barbaric, however necessary it was (and yes, the germans did the same thing with the volksturm in '45)

[ohsi]

jedilegolas, on Mar 24 2012 - 03:32, said:

While the russians were fighting a war of ideological survival for the motherland, you cannot deny that sending militian members as young as 14 with ww1 rifles to be speedbumps for german tanks was barbaric, however necessary it was (and yes, the germans did the same thing with the volksturm in '45)

Ideological survival??!!

8.8 millon Soviet soldiers plus around 20 million Soviet CIVILIANS died in that war! Hitler referred Soviets as "sub-human", and already had a plan for them in extermination camps!! What else could they do?

What sort of "ideological survival" are you talking about??

Please refrain from filling the forum with false biases. Thanks.

[Zedzded]

Dear OP,

Please read more before making overly-simplistic posts like this.

As much as I'd like to, I won't grammar-Nazi your post, as you might have been rushed while writing this at your college computer lab. If I had written like this in college, I would have never received a degree.

[GrandMasterRaziel]

The interesting thing about WWII tanks is that the various belligerent nations had different priorities they were concerned about, and these showed in the philosophies they used designing their tanks.  Towards the end of the war, it was pretty clear what made a tank good and what didn't, which is why postwar tanks started looking kind of similar to each other.

[ParanoidSniper]

ohsi, on Mar 24 2012 - 05:31, said:

Ideological survival??!!

8.8 millon Soviet soldiers plus around 20 million Soviet CIVILIANS died in that war! Hitler referred Soviets as "sub-human", and already had a plan for them in extermination camps!! What else could they do?

What sort of "ideological survival" are you talking about??

Please refrain from filling the forum with false biases. Thanks.

Poor soviets... inocents

Who won the war? well, then you guess who wrote the history.

Learn something not biased and then talk please.

[ParanoidSniper]

ohsi, on Mar 24 2012 - 03:29, said:

(of course, that's why Germans took the T-34 design and developed the Panther after it...)



(Perhaps a world war was going on there, maybe the Russians were fighting for their invaded country and their murdered civilians, mothers, sisters, sons).



(Russians were always evil people, that's what hollywood tell us)

So you dont believe what hollywood tell us about the poors and inocents commies, but you belive what they say about the evil humanless nazis right?

Awsome logic you have there Argentinian brother xD

[Clockworkred]

I only know technical readouts, gun calibers, weights, and general performance records from books.

Most of the time i just look at it, think "yeah, that's a/an [X TANK]" and play the game. Because it's a game. Historical background may be nice to know here, but a lot of the times the devs just ignore it for wither gameplay balance reasons or just because they damn well feel like it.

[ohsi]

ParanoidSniper, on Mar 24 2012 - 06:48, said:

Poor soviets... inocents

Who won the war? well, then you guess who wrote the history.

Learn something not biased and then talk please.

¿? Allies (USSR, USA, Commonwealth) won the war. I don't get your point.
Innocents? Civilians, for sure, like in any war. Soldiers, well they know what could happen to them, like any other army. The leaders? No, of course, Soviet leader wasn't innocent at all, Stalin was a cruel dictator. That fact does not deny the fact of the dead civilians.

ParanoidSniper, on Mar 24 2012 - 06:55, said:

So you dont believe what hollywood tell us about the poors and inocents commies, but you belive what they say about the evil humanless nazis right?

Awsome logic you have there Argentinian brother xD

Yep, I like my logic, "brother". And no, I don't believe in what hollywood can tell me about any war.
And yes, I do believe in what I've read (not from hollywood, relax) about evil humanless nazis. You do not, brother?

[VP_Cheney]

First encounter of Russian IS with the 122mm vs the Tiger H?

Otto Carius and 1 other Tiger H took out 14 of them, and then killed another 8 enemy tanks some of which were T-34s.



The JS-1/122 also had to drop it's main cannon to lowest depression in order to reload and Carius and his tankmate noticed this and exploited it.

[Hugh979]

ohsi, on Mar 24 2012 - 05:31, said:

Ideological survival??!!

8.8 millon Soviet soldiers plus around 20 million Soviet CIVILIANS died in that war! Hitler referred Soviets as "sub-human", and already had a plan for them in extermination camps!! What else could they do?

What sort of "ideological survival" are you talking about??

Please refrain from filling the forum with false biases. Thanks.

Before accusing others of bias, you should do more than a superficial study of history yourself. Yes, Russian casualties were extremely high. Part of that was due to the huge numbers of them who were captured in the initial invasion(hundreds of thousands at a time in some instances) and did not survive the war. German POWs suffered just as high a mortality rate, if not greater, in Soviet hands. As for civilian casualties, WW II evidenced a great increase in civilian casualties in general due both to the increased tempo of mechanized warfare and tactics employed by all parties. Americans killed 100k Japanese in one night of fire bombing Tokyo while the British had a similar raid( with ONLY 25k killed) on Dresden. Over 600k Soviet civilians died during the siege of Leningrad alone. When the Soviet army gained the upper hand and rolled through Germany on their way to Berlin, they were proceeded by a mass civilian exodus trying to escape the rape and murder that was widespread wherever they occupied. Neither the German army nor the Soviet one adhered to the same treatment of their own soldiers as the American army did. Patton's famous incident of slapping a soldier for cowardice would have never occurred in the German army. Pretty much any officer could shoot or have someone shot for cowardice at will. Meanwhile, the Soviets had NKVD divisions far outnumbering the Waffen SS that some credit with killing 300k of their own soldiers for refusing to fight. The same formations have been tied to numerous massacres of axis POWs and even Soviet civilians.

[Xenophonic]

Actually, beg to differ re the history on the early period of WWII.  Germans were out armoured massively by french, and those matildas just bounced shells.  Where they did well was in the 'invisible' stuff, like radios in every tank, extra crew member, good armoured doctrine.  And they didn't know how to deal with the KV until learnt to track it and let the arty finish it off.  That's my snapshot, but good stuff.

PS funny poll, no one admits to knowing nothing lol.

[xtm059]

ohsi, on Mar 24 2012 - 03:29, said:

(Russians were always evil people, that's what hollywood tell us)

*cough* stalingrad *cough*

[speedowow]

Yes, I know quite abit about each tank in game.  Was in US Army, Armored Command and then taught at US Army War College.  

I have been to all the major tank museums, Bovington/Kubinka/Saumar/Aberdeen/Patton/Germany/Finish/Isreali/private collections.  I have been reading and modeling all kinds of military gear for last 30+ years.  So, know in detail each tank in-game.

But, I am sad with all the liberties the developers have taken in reguard with every tank in-game.  Speed of Tiger I/Tiger II has not been addressed.  Along with several issues with some Russian/American tanks.  And then they bring out the French tanks before the British?  All in effort to make the game more even?  Bullshit.

Anyway. Nice Post. Very glad to see several other tank afficionos in game.

Cheers...

[warthogfan]

A tank fan and plastic builder since I was 10, now 44.  I was researching a Tiger tank, I was building on youtube, when I saw an ad for WoT in the sidebar.  So I found this game through being a tank fan.