Type 59 nerf
Stieger
Apr 01 2012
SuperSentinal, on Mar 29 2012 - 22:46, said:
Welcome to the peasantry.
"Although it wasn’t the most effective tank, the Type 59 definitely gave players more confidence, which made it the most popular premium tank in the game. It, thus, had a far bigger and, unfortunately, negative impact on the in-game balance than the Loewe, for instance. The mediums are one of the most popular vehicle classes, and having a chance to go and kick some butt in a tier-8 med was a golden opportunity for players. We’ve been monitoring the statistics of the Chinese medium and hoped that the issue will improve, but, obviously, the further rise of the Type 59 population would have crushed the balance between the free and premium content in the game, so we opted for its overall removal."
Sergey Burkatovskiy, the World of Tanks lead game designer.
So you curse them for trying to inject a little balance into a game the that is probably next to impossible to be fully balanced. They noticed a trend that the T59 had a very high win/loss ratio, a hint that it may be a little OP, and reacted in the interest of not alienating everyone who DOESN'T have a T59. Their business model is to get people hooked and sneak money away from them buy people buying gold to make the grind easier. But the T59 was making the game look less like free to play and more like pay to win. So they took your $35 and shaved at best $5 off the value off of it, and you still have your tank that is a thoroughly big pain in the ass to deal with. Its not like your going to sell it back.
I'm sure if you keep complaining they will send you a couple snickers bars to make up the cost.
"Although it wasn’t the most effective tank, the Type 59 definitely gave players more confidence, which made it the most popular premium tank in the game. It, thus, had a far bigger and, unfortunately, negative impact on the in-game balance than the Loewe, for instance. The mediums are one of the most popular vehicle classes, and having a chance to go and kick some butt in a tier-8 med was a golden opportunity for players. We’ve been monitoring the statistics of the Chinese medium and hoped that the issue will improve, but, obviously, the further rise of the Type 59 population would have crushed the balance between the free and premium content in the game, so we opted for its overall removal."
Sergey Burkatovskiy, the World of Tanks lead game designer.
So you curse them for trying to inject a little balance into a game the that is probably next to impossible to be fully balanced. They noticed a trend that the T59 had a very high win/loss ratio, a hint that it may be a little OP, and reacted in the interest of not alienating everyone who DOESN'T have a T59. Their business model is to get people hooked and sneak money away from them buy people buying gold to make the grind easier. But the T59 was making the game look less like free to play and more like pay to win. So they took your $35 and shaved at best $5 off the value off of it, and you still have your tank that is a thoroughly big pain in the ass to deal with. Its not like your going to sell it back.
I'm sure if you keep complaining they will send you a couple snickers bars to make up the cost.
Sickocrow
Apr 01 2012
Nothing wrong with the tank. It's Win rate is 51.7% and still rising even after it got normal MM treatment.
Dagerlay
Apr 12 2012
xXxDSMer, on Mar 29 2012 - 20:44, said:
it's amazing the number of people that believe WG didnt "adjust" the 59 in anything other than it's MM value just because they haven't said they did. Nor would they ever change it more than other tanks during normalization would they?
people obviously either dont own a type 59, or never actually paid attention to how it performed. ok i will say this tthe 59 was nerf it is all the free to play noobs that are talking smack u can tell the diff since 7.1 patch and i had a 73% win on my 59 since the nerf it has drop to 58% big drop over 10% u all can talk smack on 59's all u want but thank of it like this free to play u cant play less we pay get it they are out for the cash just like any other game any way thanks
people obviously either dont own a type 59, or never actually paid attention to how it performed. ok i will say this tthe 59 was nerf it is all the free to play noobs that are talking smack u can tell the diff since 7.1 patch and i had a 73% win on my 59 since the nerf it has drop to 58% big drop over 10% u all can talk smack on 59's all u want but thank of it like this free to play u cant play less we pay get it they are out for the cash just like any other game any way thanks
Zardnaar
Apr 12 2012
People got to used to lazy mode and beating on low tier tanks. Mine still farts money and I passed game# 1000 today in it.
evemaster1
Apr 12 2012
has an acceleration of 0 to 30 2min
precicon bad in the canon
the front is penetrable for almost all tanks in the tier 7 and above
Fire suffers more than before
less power to damage the canon
till the Soviet T34 penetrates you
the turret and is fragile in its entirety
is not the same as before, thanks
I have 1523 battles
and notice the changes
precicon bad in the canon
the front is penetrable for almost all tanks in the tier 7 and above
Fire suffers more than before
less power to damage the canon
till the Soviet T34 penetrates you
the turret and is fragile in its entirety
is not the same as before, thanks
I have 1523 battles
and notice the changes
Zardnaar
Apr 12 2012
Its seeing higher tier fights, and new French and American tanks can pen it. The game environment has changed. If you think the T59 has been hard done by go and drive a T34/85 or a T43 and get back to me. T59 is still a great premium tank if you know how to drive it. My win % has gone up since it was "nerfed". To many bad T59 drivers were used to beating on tanks that could not hurt it. French tnaks and the new American tanks can swiss cheese it. I'm not sure how people think being matched up against tier 6 tanks is fair or reasonable on the tier 6 drivers IDK. After 1500 games your win rate in the T59 is barely over 50%- theres your problem. I'll translate the whining about the T-59 for you into English.
" Waaaa my T-59 got nerfed. They took the training wheels off and I no longer get to feast on lower tier tanks than me. I am to useless to figure out how to hurt an IS4/E75 or how to deal with the new high pen French and American tanks".
Most of the time you see the similar fights as before with the occasional tier 10 fight and you rarely get matched up vs a M6 or T43 or 3601 that you can kick the crap out of because you are functionally immune to their guns.
" Waaaa my T-59 got nerfed. They took the training wheels off and I no longer get to feast on lower tier tanks than me. I am to useless to figure out how to hurt an IS4/E75 or how to deal with the new high pen French and American tanks".
Most of the time you see the similar fights as before with the occasional tier 10 fight and you rarely get matched up vs a M6 or T43 or 3601 that you can kick the crap out of because you are functionally immune to their guns.
evemaster1
Apr 12 2012
you like this 134,163 credits
you have 16778 battles.
I hve 5796 battles, less than half
realtinytanker
Apr 13 2012
no i agree the type 59 used to be a driving dream. i still like it. but im getting messed up with heavies
Sym_MkV
Apr 13 2012
I have no problem with the tier shift to tier 9.
My problem is I think it was wrong of Wargamming to sell an item like a premium tank and to later change it to the point that it is basically worthless in the tier it now competes in.
Wargamming DID changed the Type 59's gun penetration, tank acceleration, ammo rack durability and frontal armor. To top it off, Wargamming did not have the decency to tell the paying customers what it had done!
Why you ask? Basiclly because the Type 59's were out of control because so many people had them...but was that really the problem? I say no. The Match Maker was flawed and ALLOWED 6 or 7 type 59's on one team. Of course people were upset. Could you not blame them? Hell, I was one of them but it wasn't the Type 59's fault but the inability of Wargamming to correct the Match Maker to do something so simple as to COUNT! So their fix was to remove the tank from the store and to nerf the crap out of it til people no longer used it.
The point is that it is bad business on Wargamming's part to sell things and then to later change them negatively with no considerations to the people who paid for them. But really...all these discussions are moot and this falls on deaf ears. They have our money and are laughing their way to the bank.
My problem is I think it was wrong of Wargamming to sell an item like a premium tank and to later change it to the point that it is basically worthless in the tier it now competes in.
Wargamming DID changed the Type 59's gun penetration, tank acceleration, ammo rack durability and frontal armor. To top it off, Wargamming did not have the decency to tell the paying customers what it had done!
Why you ask? Basiclly because the Type 59's were out of control because so many people had them...but was that really the problem? I say no. The Match Maker was flawed and ALLOWED 6 or 7 type 59's on one team. Of course people were upset. Could you not blame them? Hell, I was one of them but it wasn't the Type 59's fault but the inability of Wargamming to correct the Match Maker to do something so simple as to COUNT! So their fix was to remove the tank from the store and to nerf the crap out of it til people no longer used it.
The point is that it is bad business on Wargamming's part to sell things and then to later change them negatively with no considerations to the people who paid for them. But really...all these discussions are moot and this falls on deaf ears. They have our money and are laughing their way to the bank.
djdallin
Apr 14 2012
The type 59 used to be a great tank to drive and play in. Now i cant stand it. I might sell it for creds because its not even fun to play. i will still get like 3 kills but its not fun anymore. They made it trash....
Dagerlay
Apr 14 2012
ok so after i payed the Gold for my type 59 they nerf it witch all and good it still could and but now they put it in higher matches along with that now it can hang. i mean i still do ok but i do seam to lose cred on it now witch i never did befor so i see a lot of people saying they did not nerf the 59's but they did and if u drive 1 u would know this. all im saying nerf and move to higher tank brack man that herts but now if u give it a 122 mm and another 60pen wit just i nice speed jump so we can keep up wit them dang frinch tankers well id say it do ok
i mean 100 mmm wit 6 shots 59 no chance wit that gun i school them all day i will say that it is not right that 6 - 7 can pen it i mean i cant pen 10 on my 8 ya know well not that much i can if i work them from the back
So what do u all thank plz if u thanks its a good idea let me know
PS sorry bad spelling
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6 hour RO.
-aw_man
i mean 100 mmm wit 6 shots 59 no chance wit that gun i school them all day i will say that it is not right that 6 - 7 can pen it i mean i cant pen 10 on my 8 ya know well not that much i can if i work them from the back
So what do u all thank plz if u thanks its a good idea let me know
PS sorry bad spelling
Content Removed. Open disclosure/discussion of tickets is prohibited.
6 hour RO.
-aw_man
Mglisty
Apr 14 2012
*drink* Meds arent suposed to pen anything from front, if you whine about t59, this means you arent playing it correctly.
Ironmonger69
Apr 14 2012
I drive one. They did not nerf the Type 59. It's battle tier is reasonable; it is the same as other Tier VIII mediums.
No one will say no to a buff to a tank they own. But the Type has not been hindered; it has flourished, to wit the overall NA server win rate for the Type 59:
No one will say no to a buff to a tank they own. But the Type has not been hindered; it has flourished, to wit the overall NA server win rate for the Type 59:
PanzerHyeena
Apr 14 2012
This shit again?
Also your gun has the same penetration as the T-44's best guns and only five millimeters less then the M26's. The gun has not been nerfed, your tank was never nerfed. It's a Soviet-style medium tank at Tier 8, you need to flank stuff that's heavier armored to hurt it effectively, it has been this way on that tier since the T-44 first rolled out in closed beta. The Type 59 is one of the best preforming tanks on the entire American server, it does not need a nerf or a buff, it's just fine and has been for a long time. They didn't so much as 'up' the matchmaker value as give it the same value as a regular tier 8 medium tank; you now have to deal with the same battles as any other tier 8 medium tank. Stop crying.
Can you children please stop posting new threads about this same crap? There's a search function for a reason, this, in case you don't know is so you can find the other threads on this same topic so you don't create new threads pointlessly.
Also, *drink*
Also your gun has the same penetration as the T-44's best guns and only five millimeters less then the M26's. The gun has not been nerfed, your tank was never nerfed. It's a Soviet-style medium tank at Tier 8, you need to flank stuff that's heavier armored to hurt it effectively, it has been this way on that tier since the T-44 first rolled out in closed beta. The Type 59 is one of the best preforming tanks on the entire American server, it does not need a nerf or a buff, it's just fine and has been for a long time. They didn't so much as 'up' the matchmaker value as give it the same value as a regular tier 8 medium tank; you now have to deal with the same battles as any other tier 8 medium tank. Stop crying.
Can you children please stop posting new threads about this same crap? There's a search function for a reason, this, in case you don't know is so you can find the other threads on this same topic so you don't create new threads pointlessly.
Also, *drink*
appetite4destruction
Apr 14 2012
if anything that bouncy turret needs a nerf. Have to aim very carefully with my t44 to damage them which is hard sometimes at close quaters. Auto aim bounces every time. It certainly has more survivability than a t44.
julznikita
Apr 14 2012
l tell you something iv played over 2000 battles with the Type 59 and fact is since 7.2 iv dropped 2% on my win ratio cant seem to win with the 59 these days
Fred0527
Apr 14 2012
I drive one. They did not nerf the Type 59. It's battle tier is reasonable; it is the same as other Tier VIII mediums.http://www.keyforex.info/pet.gif
crunkindonuts
Apr 14 2012
evemaster1, on Apr 12 2012 - 08:52, said:
has an acceleration of 0 to 30 2min
precicon bad in the canon
the front is penetrable for almost all tanks in the tier 7 and above
Fire suffers more than before
less power to damage the canon
till the Soviet T34 penetrates you
the turret and is fragile in its entirety
is not the same as before, thanks
I have 1523 battles
and notice the changes
precicon bad in the canon
the front is penetrable for almost all tanks in the tier 7 and above
Fire suffers more than before
less power to damage the canon
till the Soviet T34 penetrates you
the turret and is fragile in its entirety
is not the same as before, thanks
I have 1523 battles
and notice the changes
lol bullshit what a crybaby. fragile turret w/200 armor lol. front is penetrable at those levels only if you know precisely where to shoot, and the armor is still magically bouncy. meanwhile a type 59 driver can just autoaim and usually pen any other t8 med. try playing a pershing and come back and tell me the type 59 isn't ezmode.
1SLUGGO1
Apr 14 2012
appetite4destruction, on Apr 14 2012 - 11:07, said:
...Auto aim...
I found your problem.
