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lord_farquad #1 Posted Mar 30 2012 - 19:33

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Please note that due to conflicts with server restart times, the first battle has been moved back 1 day, and the round times have been slightly modified. See below for details.
The April 2012 Challenge will be themed around the Battle of Halbe, otherwise known as Operation Plunder. All standard Challenge rules apply, as well as those listed below. Please be sure to look over the rules thoroughly -- especially as a team captain. Note that the standard Challenge rules have been updated on February 28, 2012. The updates include:


Disputes: Disputes must be submitted the same day on which the game in question took place

Registration


A news update will be published on the community portal once the tournament page is live and registration is available.

  • Registration begins: April 2, 2012
  • Registration ends: April 6, 2012 at 4PM PST
Tier & Point Limits

A team must field a selection of tanks based on the below tier limits. Teams are also limited to a maximum total of 35 tier points.
  

  
  • Heavy tank - 7
  • Medium tank - 8 (no Lorraines)
  • Tank Destroyer - 7
  • Light tank - 5
  • SPG - 6

Schedule

The full schedule will be provided at the close of registration, once the final team count has been determined.
Round start times 10PM UTC (3AM PST, 6AM EST) each scheduled day. Please note that the April 10th round will start at 12:00 PM UTC

  • Round 1: April 10, 2012
  • Round 2: April 11
  • Round 3: April 13
  • Round 4: April 15
  • Round 5: April 17
  • Round 6: April 19
  • Round 7 (Finals and Third place): April 21

Prizes

The following prizes will be provided to each member of the respective team, including reserves.

  • First place: 10,000 gold
  • Second place: 5,000 gold
  • Third place: 3,000 gold
  • Fourth place: 2,000 gold
If the first place team is able to win the Challenge without losing a single battle, each member will receive an additional 2,000 gold.

Maps

There will only be one map used during the Halbe Challenge. The map played on for the Challenge will be Murovanka.

Yoott #2 Posted Mar 30 2012 - 19:38

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View Postlord_farquad, on Mar 30 2012 - 19:33, said:

The April 2012 Challenge will be themed around the Battle of Halbe, otherwise known as Operation Plunder. All standard Challenge rules apply, as well as those listed below. Please be sure to look over the rules thoroughly -- especially as a team captain. Note that the standard Challenge rules have been updated on February 28, 2012. The updates include:

Disputes: Disputes must be submitted the same day on which the game in question took place

Registration


A news update will be published on the community portal once the tournament page is live and registration is available.

  • Registration begins: April 2, 2012
  • Registration ends: April 6, 2012 at 4PM PST
Tier & Point Limits

A team must field a selection of tanks based on the below tier limits. Teams are also limited to a maximum total of 39 tier points.

  • Heavy tank - 7
  • Medium tank - 7
  • Tank Destroyer - 8
  • Light tank - 5
  • SPG - 5
Schedule

The full schedule will be provided at the close of registration, once the final team count has been determined. Rounds will begin at 09AM UTC (2AM PST, 5AM EST) each scheduled day.

Curious what time this is in your region? Use this handy Time Zone Converter to help you out!
  • Round 1: April 9, 2012
  • The schedule will be posted at the close of registration

Prizes

The following prizes will be provided to each member of the respective team, including reserves.

  • First place: 10,000 gold
  • Second place: 5,000 gold
  • Third place: 3,000 gold
  • Fourth place: 2,000 gold
If the first place team is able to win the Challenge without losing a single battle, each member will receive an additional 2,000 gold.

Maps

There will only be one map used during the Battle of Halbe Challenge. The map played on for the Challenge will be Murovanka.


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Brannor #3 Posted Mar 30 2012 - 22:10

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View Postlord_farquad, on Mar 30 2012 - 19:33, said:

  • Heavy tank - 7
  • Medium tank - 7
  • Tank Destroyer - 8
  • Light tank - 5
  • SPG - 5
This does not make sense.  How can a higher tier TD be allowed to take on Tier 7 heavies?

Surely it should be Tier 6 Tank Destroyers?

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AbsoluteRoyal #4 Posted Mar 30 2012 - 22:20

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View PostBrannor, on Mar 30 2012 - 22:10, said:

This does not make sense.  How can a higher tier TD be allowed to take on Tier 7 heavies?

Surely it should be Tier 6 Tank Destroyers?

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It is not a mistake, at an even tier(7) TD's are not very effective and very seldom used in a 5v5. All they gain over the heavies is RoF and camo bonus at the expense of mobility, utility, and durability(hp). This is an attempt to make them a viable option

Orion03 #5 Posted Mar 30 2012 - 23:13

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Arrgghh "09AM UTC (2AM PST, 5AM EST) each scheduled day." means it'll be 7pm Melbourne Australia time, no way I can play at that time with a castration by the wife.

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View PostOrion03, on Mar 30 2012 - 23:13, said:

Arrgghh "09AM UTC (2AM PST, 5AM EST) each scheduled day." means it'll be 7pm Melbourne Australia time, no way I can play at that time with a castration by the wife.

I guess the overwhelming response to changing the start times went unheard :(

Doubt I will be able to make this comp as 7pm is just far too early for anyone with a family

lord_farquad #7 Posted Mar 30 2012 - 23:58

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View Postwoola, on Mar 30 2012 - 23:55, said:

I guess the overwhelming response to changing the start times went unheard :(

Doubt I will be able to make this comp as 7pm is just far too early for anyone with a family

These are still subject to change, I simply wanted to give the poll till the end of the week.

I've updated the page to reflect that, sorry for the confusion.

Please also note that I have changed some of the tiering. I am curious to get your feedback on the changes.

RedWolfz0r #8 Posted Mar 31 2012 - 00:00

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Not sure why this is at 9:00 UTC when 11:00 UTC is clearly winning in the poll? This will be a full two hours earlier than the first 3 challenges for those of us in Australian states where the DST will come off this weekend.

Also, 39 points is a LOT. If the maximum tier is 8 you are just 1 point short of having every player at max tier. Something like 35 points would make more sense.

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Please push this back another 1-2 hours. This is 7pm AEST which is too early for most of us.

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Brannor #10 Posted Mar 31 2012 - 03:02

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If you allow Tier 8 mediums, then allow tier 8 heavies.
We all know that THE tier 5 light is the T-50-2 which normally gets assigned up to T10 matches.

Tier 6 arty is also maybe a bit high for tier 7 heavies.

I'd think that you either go: 7/7/6/4/5 or 8/8/7/5/6.

And finally...timing...considering most of the previous few finalists have been from Aus it'd be fair to run it later so we can defend our "rankings".

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View PostBrannor, on Mar 31 2012 - 03:02, said:

If you allow Tier 8 mediums, then allow tier 8 heavies.
We all know that THE tier 5 light is the T-50-2 which normally gets assigned up to T10 matches.

Tier 6 arty is also maybe a bit high for tier 7 heavies.

I'd think that you either go: 7/7/6/4/5 or 8/8/7/5/6.

And finally...timing...considering most of the previous few finalists have been from Aus it'd be fair to run it later so we can defend our "rankings".

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Don't worry, the timing will likely change according to feedback from the current poll http://forum.worldof...le_honoring.gif

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View Postlord_farquad, on Mar 31 2012 - 03:14, said:

Don't worry, the timing will likely change according to feedback from the current poll http://forum.worldof...le_honoring.gif
It's good that you're listening to feedback and have an option for a poll.
However, the current poll has less than 50 votes, the previous vote had more than 1200.
If you are considering making such changes, I think you need to better advertise the fact (on the news page and/or in the Oceania forums) so that all players can provide their feedback - not just the few who are active in this forum.

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View PostW0lfy, on Mar 31 2012 - 13:00, said:

It's good that you're listening to feedback and have an option for a poll.
However, the current poll has less than 50 votes, the previous vote had more than 1200.
If you are considering making such changes, I think you need to better advertise the fact (on the news page and/or in the Oceania forums) so that all players can provide their feedback - not just the few who are active in this forum.

While that's true, that was not specifically for tournaments and was long before DST occurred. The current poll has almost the exact same number of responses as previous polls which were exclusive to this forum. Perhaps in the near future we will make a more public poll, unfortunately there's not enough time to do that before the Challenge begins.

Also, note that the response to the poll has favored the 11:00 AM UTC  time slot by 67%, which is probably a good indicator that the majority of players would prefer that time slot.

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did you edit the rules ? tier 8 mediums or tier 8 TD's ? and 39 point is too much for that tier limits  :blink:

Grivyn #15 Posted Apr 01 2012 - 10:34

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Allowing T8 Meds and excluding the Lorraine doesn't seem very fair, why exclude the only French tank that would be picked, moreso now they have been nerfed to crap unwarrantedly IMO. Also is the the 39 point limit the only limitation as in can we bring in more than 5 players if want ?

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View PostGrivyn, on Apr 01 2012 - 10:34, said:

Allowing T8 Meds and excluding the Lorraine doesn't seem very fair, why exclude the only French tank that would be picked, moreso now they have been nerfed to crap unwarrantedly IMO. Also is the the 39 point limit the only limitation as in can we bring in more than 5 players if want ?

Teams are still limited to 5 in a battle. We'll discuss the effects of 7.2 on the Lorraine on Monday / Tuesday and come to a final decision for the April tournament.

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View PostGeneralDirection, on Apr 01 2012 - 11:14, said:

Teams are still limited to 5 in a battle. We'll discuss the effects of 7.2 on the Lorraine on Monday / Tuesday and come to a final decision for the April tournament.

Please also discuss the point limit. 39 is too much, it doesn't leave any room for different team makeups. Pretty much the only viable option is a medium pack that uses all the maximum tiers and points.

My suggestion for a generous point limit is 35.

Grivyn #18 Posted Apr 01 2012 - 21:15

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To be honest even 35 is too much as after a quick look 1 of my preferred loadouts is 33 points. As it stands 39 points means everyone's team will consist of 4xT8 Meds + 1xT6 Arty or T7 Heavy/TD.

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I'm jumping in the NA Version, 2 reasons.........

# 11pm my time is a bit better RE: Family reasons
# Gold Prize is more than double, seems Oceanic members are worth less than their NA counter parts.

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View PostSealteam6, on Apr 03 2012 - 23:35, said:

I'm jumping in the NA Version, 2 reasons.........

# 11pm my time is a bit better RE: Family reasons
# Gold Prize is more than double, seems Oceanic members are worth less than their NA counter parts.

The gold prize directly corresponds to the number of participants in the previous tournament (above a minimum). Currently if we used the same formula for the Oceania tournaments the 1st place prize would be around 7,000 gold, fortunately we have a minimum. Once the participant numbers go beyond that minimum then the prizes will increase accordingly.