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[See_Life]

Totally agree with people . i used to handle the crap armour of my amx50b by tactics ... now the nerf has taken it to a new level on vunerability .

I am peeved off cos before at least the fast rate of fire keep us in it... the friggin t110e5 can have gun rammers and has great front armour. We knew we couldnt go toe to toe before now we are screwed.

Im sure for those who have 50bs u spent heaps of time getting to a tank that while frustrating was fun.. Now its just dumb

I wish i spent all this time getting a t30 then a t110e5 for free... Its things like this that makes us tankers think , should we keep grinding for tanks that are nerfed out of balance.

I ask you guys one question.. If you had the same free xp would you spend it on amx50b again ?

[PrinceTankers]

 SiriusCrow, on Mar 31 2012 - 12:57, said:

These tanks were an important part of Clan battles and now will be useless!!
Thanks Wargames!! We love how you take a very valuable tank and turn it in to a giant hunk of steel! Lift some of the nerf on the French heavies please. As it is the 50B has no chance against any other T10 tank. I dont mind the 2k H.P. but give me my gun back! I need that reload time and short counter between shots! It is all that the 50B has that makes it valuable!

Off Topic - The batchat seems to still be valuable with the nerf.

You are so right! Please read my post concerning all the nerfing done on the French tanks. The batchat is almost useless now! The 50B WAS useful on the battle field and it most certainly is weakest against the New American line. Now it is nerfed it is almost stands no chance at all. Why in the world nerve the very crux of the French tanks, the auto loader?! It would have been FAR BETTER to just remove the whole French tree altogether! I am not complaining or whining but simply stating the facts from a players point of view, from a practical stand point. IF the developers don’t return the French tanks to their former state BEFORE the 7.2 patch! Then by all means just remove the French Tree! Put the French tanks out of their misery!

[PrinceTankers]

Exactly! I agree totally, the meds and especially the French tanks should have stayed the same and the balance would have been perfect!

[gamertrav]

 Carves, on Mar 31 2012 - 13:02, said:

I have never played with 50B, but I played the AMX 13 90 and the Bat.

Both are still pretty good even after the nerfed. Hardly noticeable.

The light/medium tree is fine after the nerf, and I agree they were a bit OP before.

The heavy line wasn't really OP though, and it's pretty terrible now.  My 50-120 now has the lowest win % of any tank I own, by far (41% vs my overall of 55%).  It seems Wargaming just blindly nerfed everything French without looking at which tanks were actually OP.

[calabacinX]

I remeber the bat chat and lorraine to be the OP tanks, the french heavies were not that OP compared to their german/ russian counterparts, they DIDN'T need such a big nerf... but wargaming did it again, they just made a nerf package and released it to all french tanks... great job, just keep ruining the game.

[T_om]

 calabacinX, on Apr 05 2012 - 15:39, said:

I remeber the bat chat and lorraine to be the OP tanks, the french heavies were not that OP compared to their german/ russian counterparts, they DIDN'T need such a big nerf... but wargaming did it again, they just made a nerf package and released it to all french tanks... great job, just keep ruining the game.

Funny stuff here.

They got your money, now it is time to kill the tanks so you spend MORE money getting the next "latest thing".  Then they nerf THAT... rinse and repeat.

Tom

[ArithianFlame]

 T_om, on Apr 05 2012 - 16:54, said:

They got your money, now it is time to kill the tanks so you spend MORE money getting the next "latest thing".  Then they nerf THAT... rinse and repeat.

That's how it works... Unless you're Russian of course.

[Skwabie]

yep new tanks are supposed to be OP for em to make more money

so enjoy the T110... for now

[Engine_of_War]

I've never found the French heavys OP at all. they just played different but the heavy handed nerf was unnessasary and just needs to be removed.

i bet my AMX 50 100 that the soviets been going "QQ!! MY MEGA TANK BEEN GETTING KILLED BY FRENCHIES NERF DEM NOW!"


THe Lights and Mediums were the more annoying ones and far more powerful and needed a small nerf (but admitantly they were ratherbalenced besides the little nerf needed, a T-50-2 killed a Batchat 1 on 1).   But the heavies need the nerf removed.

I"ve never found the AMX series heavies in need of a nerf at all, their thin armor balenced their guns fire rate and if they bounced any of their rapid shots their chance of survival went down considerably.   Please. remove those nerfs.

[Parfa]

Just like the Type59, that tank got nerfed to oblivion and taken off from the store. Does that hint you anything?

[GramasBoy524]

The 50B can no longer match up against any other heavy tier 10. Considering most battles with other tanks take place with the front of both tanks facing each other the 50B is screwed. In the time it takes me to get all 4 of my shots off I get hit twice, most if not all my shells bounce and il be 3/4s dead since i have zero armor and so little hps... If you want to screw us over with armor and HPs then give us a more accurate and faster shooting gun. I didn't grind all the way up to this tank to have it get weakened so badly for no reason.

[Agent_Smithx2]

honestly if the 50b and the bat got either their gun depression, HP or RoF (both in drum and full reload) back they'd be perfect. (well choose either one of the three or two of the three)

[Scyer]

Never played the AMX50b, but given they even nerfed the B1 (Who the fuck ever said that was OP was an idiot) it does seem like they went a little overboard.

[blade12444]

the french tanks got too many nerfs at one time. They needed to put one nerf at a time and waited a bit to see if the number evened them self out. However people on the forums cried OP OP OP OP OP OP OP OP OP OP, so they got nerfed too much , however given the devs nature they don't remove nerfs and rarely buff anything.

[Toten]

French tanks went from very fun and challenging,to utter shite and a waste of garage space,-10 WG,so very poorly done...

[RockyMtn]

I'm not going to get back in my 50/120, won't ever see a 50B for sure, I'm done with this line.

[Rosh87]

I agree with the general theme here....my AMX-50-120 is one of the least enjoyable tanks I play now (since 7.2) - and I've only done its Double-EXP battle, per day - and that's it (and some days I have just scrapped it all together in frustration).


The thing that most annoyed me was WG had said, prior to patch, that the "heavies are performing pretty much in-line with other tanks (of their tier, class)".   Thus, when they nerfed not JUST the Lorraine and AMX-13-90, but ALL the Autoloader tanks....it was somewhat shocking.   It has pretty much stopped any interest I had in going beyond the 50-120 (to push for the Tier-10 AMX-50B), as it is bascially just a "minor" upgrade over the 50-120 now, with all the same massive negatives (no armor, vulnerability to HE shells, low HP for a high-tier Tank, horrid depression for the cannon, etc).


The biggest thing they did to the 50-120 was nerf its fire rate, both inside the cylinder (refire rate) and also its actual full Cylinder Reload Time.  They added about +2 seconds to the full Cylinder time, which was rather stupid since it already took appx. 32-seconds with the old system.  Why did it need "even more time ! mwhahahaa" - for its paltry 4-shells to reload ?


Secondly, and in my opinion more importantly, they modified the inter-drum refire rate from 3.00-seconds per shot, to an even more noticeable 3.33 seconds per shot !   This results in a very noticeable amount of time to fire just 2 or 3 shells (of the 4-total you have) - and you find yourself getting "shot back" through your non-existent armor, before you can "Shoot and Scoot" - to any respect. More critically, by fudging the Refire rate so badly, the Devs have made the AMX-50-120 fairly unattractive to even use, because the main bonus of "volley fire potential" is not THAT much better than even Medium Tanks of its tier !  

Example...compare the refire rate of a 100% Patton top cannon, or E-50's fastest firing gun, (with 100% Crew, Rammer, Vents and / or Brothers in Arms skill) - then look at the 3.33 (cannot be modified by crew enhancements due to the set nature of the Autoloader mechanism)...for the 50-120.    What you will likely find is that these other tanks (Mediums at that !) - are much more capable of maintaining a steady rate of fire on enemies, dealing NEARLY as much damage as the vaunted 120-mm cannon of the high-tier AMX's...while having actual Armor....the same or better overall speed/acceleration/agility....and NEVER have to "run away and hide" for 30+ seconds every time they fire 4 shells !


Due to this, a Patton is likely to wipe out an AMX-50-120, in almost every 1-on-1 hypothetical encounter they would fight in.  If even one shell bounces or zero-damage crits, from the 120' - he's even more toast.  The Patton can just keep up a steady rate of 390, 390, 390-average damage per shot, and pretty much overwhelm the pathetic defenses of the top-tier Frenchies.  Conclusion....just grab a Tier-9 Medium..trick it out...and enjoy all the "perks" of a Frenchie, with really no drawbacks.   Well played WG....well played indeed...

[RockyMtn]

Rosh, a big +1 to you sir. Very succinctly and accurately articulated.

[rubb4rducky]

If the Lorraine was so "OP". aka. FFFF, its killing me everytime one on one where I have no support and my gun reloads 5x slower then his yet I insist on fighting this guy straight to this face" a solution I thought of was to make it into something like the KV-1S. We would put amx 13 90 at tier 7 still and introduce something on the lines of an AMX 13 90-2. This the new AMX 13 90-2 would get the 90mm of the Lorraine while maintaining the shape of the AMX Light series as well as the BatChat ie Rear mounted turret, low profile, forward engine and good manuverability. This would make more sense to the tree as you would a) maintain the same ideology of the French Lights/Batchat which is; low profile, good speed and manuverability. balance the "Op" ness of the Lorraine by making the AMX 13 90-2 a Medium that would require support from allies or a very effective light tank in higher tier games (maybe move its MM to tier 7+10 Tanks range). With the introduction of the AMX 13-90, We could make the Lorraine either ; a medium transition tank from the AMX 50-100 or a medium transition from the AMX 13 90-2 to the Heavy line. A third more drastic option is to make the Lorraine a dead line after being researched from the AMX 13 90-2 similar to the Tier 5 Light Scouts so that it would seem less tempting to a player who is used to low profile AMX 13 style tanks and more attractive to Heavy Line players who are used to the large size of the Lorraine and better gun (100mm would be maintained at current stats) but would also like a bit more mobility. Sorry if this is a little of topic

[blznguns]

Sold my 50/120 after 7.2.  Just not viable in a heavy role, particularly for it's tier.  I'd unlocked the 50B, but hadn't bought it yet.  Now I'm seriously thinking 6 mil credits would be throwing money away.