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Well I give up, at 42% wins in 70+ games, I'll shelve it till it's known if it'll be rebalanced again.

I've shelved mine as well, not worth the hassal at all.

Woohoo, I've worked my way up to 41% win rate......

But of course, I just need to "learn to play", there was nothing wrong with the nerf, its perfectly balanced.... oh and btw, would you like a 20% buff to HE damage for artillery to go along with your nerf, oh yes please, thank you may I have some more.    

That was so fun being one shot today.

Let's hope for a buff in 7.4 when they release more of the French tree

Buff my content.

I can definitely feel the changes in my 50 120. I still haven't quite re-settled on my personal view of the tank though.

What I have noticed, is that instead of doing 'Ok' to 'well' across all the maps, my success is now largely dictated by what map I draw with it. But all this really means, is that it does well on maps where you can support and flank while remaining in cover or having a relatively safe route to withdraw. When you can support the brawlers from relative safety - the tanks are still amazing. But... that doesn't happen much in pubs. Certainly, no one bothers to support the Frenchie =/

thejoker91, on Apr 17 2012 - 19:43, said:

I  have every tier 10 heavy

The only one that sux smelly monkey balls is the 50b


The others are either near OP. (T110) or average (IS-7)
None are shi it bar the 50b

I wont play it.

Well i started playing this game Cuz of the French tanks came in the game .....  and Ever since the Nerf  i started going for the Tiger 2  well just the French Tanks are just way to Painful to play now .... But i still played my Amx 50 100 for the First wins  still and now I am up to the point ware i am really close to the Amx 50 120  And wondering if the 120 is Really any better then the 100  and if its worth spending  3.5 Mil Cred's for it

Belrick, on May 03 2012 - 11:07, said:

I also have every tier 10 in the game, and I can tell you right now the AMX 50B does not suck. Sure its not as godly as it used to be, but its still VERY effective.

And if you think the T110 is near to OP then, well.... all I can say is lol

For those that missed it, here's a thread looking at French server statistics:
http://forum.worldof...-us-statistics/

According to the server stats, for the last two weeks there were:

TIERX:
819 IS-7s
595 T110s
461 E-100s
164 AMX 50Bs
TIERIX:
3089 IS4s
826 E75s
679 M103s
281 AMX 50/120s
TIERVIII:
2430 IS3s
1302 TigerIIs
744 T32s
489 AMX 50/100s

Lorraine: 53.7% (peak pre-nerf 60.1%)
BatChat: 51.7% (peak pre-nerf 58.3%)
AMX 13/90: 51.3% (peak pre-nerf 55.5%)
AMX 50/100: 49.8% (peak pre-nerf 53.6%)
AMX 50/120: 49.5% (peak pre-nerf 54.6%)
AMX 50B: 48.4% (peak pre-nerf 53.4%)

This insight tells us that while even the worst of the worst players do eventually grind IS7s or E-100s or inherited T110s for the same reason having had many months to grind them no matter how low their average XP, AMX 50s are still a relatively small and elite group since it required grinding from scratch (I still haven't reached the AMX 50B for example).   If the Elite are now only averaging 48% winrates, that tells us there's an issue with the tank now.

So IMO if something isn't done regarding the nerf of the AMX 50/120 in particular (there are ELEVEN IS4s for every ONE AMX 50), we may never see French heavy populations rivaling other nations.  

Very interesting Ducman69, good post.

This is why you shouldn't listen to the whinging masses who play the game for free. Chances are they will want the stats changed back once they finally get far enough up the French heavy line.

I played a few games in the pub alone on my 50B.  It was rather challenging.   I'm going to platoon next time.

sumfingwong, on May 05 2012 - 01:12, said:

120 is a huge upgrade from 100 imo. less dpm, but more alpha.

You will fight with big tanks,which mean u dont get the chance to expose yourself to unload all 6 shots from the 100mm. So 120mm's 4 shots in a row is just about right. (plus more pen and lesser reload time)

The 120mm ammo is almost the same price as the 100, which mean u get more credits per damage shot. if a win with premium you can get around 45-80k credits.

The only downside is the gun depression, it cant move its gun up or down very good. so you will have trouble fighting on slopes.

Lol ya found that out the hard way I try to stay away from slopes .. So I just hide and try to snipe  but over all really just get raped buy arty befor i can think to peak around to shoot
but i put aside this tank cant take the pain of it ....  Working on getting a E75 now just about 20k exp away woohoo!!

got the 50B and so far disappointed.

6 losses in a row..

i get easily killed by arty even with a spall liner.. they can splash me at a far distance and still do over 500-600 damage.

The enemy just needs 4 shots to kill me.

Acceleration is no better than the 120

reload is not that impressive vs 120

i laugh at the depression. On maps with hills , good luck.

honestly this tank + e100 needs a buff.. they both need a dire re-balance.

I’d like to see the autoloaders have the duration to reload reduced if you’re only reloading 1-3 rounds. I don’t know if this would be historically accurate or even possible with a real world French autoloader, probably not, but then again this game isn’t about historical accuracy so I don’t think it would matter. A lot of times I’ll pull back from taking a shot or two and someone else will kill the tank I was firing at or I’ll have to reposition and I’ll reload rather that start a new fight with only a couple shots. I think that would help the tank out quite a bit.
I just got the 50B this weekend and I like it. It is what it is and if I sit back and snipe and move around a lot it can be fun. Its just like a bigger version of my M18. I can have a great round or I can get skunked nice and quick.

i was on a team yesterday with only 1 tier 10 per team and ours was a 50b. he got 6 kills, 2 of them were tier 9's

i'm convinced that you can do well with this tank if you know how to play it. not saying i know how to, but i dont think its as bad as some people say it is

Its like the T30 was. You can do well but you dont have the room for error that someone who has enough armor to bounce a shot or two does. You make a mistake, you pay. Also if your area of the map falls you cant hold ground on your own as well as the other heavy 10s can. You need a blocker to keep the horde at bay or they'll over run you while you reload.

Im not sure if I am just getting into good battles or you guys are just getting into horrible ones with the 50B's but I have a 66%-68% win ration in the 50B with 162 battles....
Edited by Death9I, Jun 18 2012 - 20:13.