77 replies to this topic

[Konev]

My apologies for the massive block of text. I am at my best of time poor in most things grammatical. I also am not one to often give in to the rant. This is certainly not my first game or my first troll; heck, for the most part his advice was far sounder than most other dead guys. But as I left out (and I did say to him), this was my main focus for the "you're dead" part.
I have to type and drive and fight if I want to respond, and while I didn't answer in the affirmative, I was doing what he had asked. And while I don't mind helpful advice, it was the tone he took when he didn't get the response he wanted, not my action. I was underway before he repeated himself. Yes, I should have let the crap slide like I have a hundred other times. But my response that "you're dead" wasn't saying I didn't agree with him (my actions show that I did); it was flip, not even overly rude. Because by the third or fourth time I am told to do something by someone who is paying enough attention to tell me to do it, but not enough to see that I am doing it, elicits a generally negative response. A dead guy who tells me I can make it has my doubts from go -- after all, he is dead. But the point of my meltdown was that when you (the proverbial you) go off on me, don't expect a happy response. I know I am not the only one (and I am made of tougher skin, thanks) that gets the trolls' responses whenever I respond to the negativity.
In general, the elite players have become more overtly bullying over the past few months. As I tend to want to be helpful to new players and generally anyone else who may need it, I can't stand seeing players called the worst while in a game just to shame the guy right at the start of the match -- which is becoming more common. I have seen a lot more instances of players calling out info on their own team in gen chat just because they don't like someone's actions or even the tank they drive. The point of my post is that I do think it's just as important to let people learn and make mistakes and to allow people to disagree with you without it becoming a matter of what a better player you are then they are. My post was not an "I quit" or "hey feel sorry for me," but an "I'm tired of the crap and hey, just because it's not covered by the EULA doesn't mean we should not be respectful of one another."
It's for the players who get this treatment and leave the game, because something needed to be said.

Thanks for all of your responses, even the negative ones, because hey at least you took maybe a second to think about it.

[ironhorsey]

The other night I was in a match where I was really low in the tier. I decided to fall back and help protect arty best I could and this guy with a handle (something)cajn with a tier 7 or 8 SPG blew me away for no apparent reason and I was on the same team with my 3601H. So your going to have major morons playing a video game of all things that are going to be idiots. Next time I see him in a match I am going to raise a flag that this guy shooting his own players in the back, but those odds are slim with thousands of players on at one time. Do like everyone else said just ignore the Patton wanabees. Send them a message to do everyone a favor on the team and hit the escape button, leave the match, and go sit on it and rotate. You play the game the way you want to and don't waste time getting in pissing contest with anyone. It will only get you more worked up. That's why you can report the individual also. Also a lot of jerks don't realize that sometimes when they complain about some sitting still or camping the idiots don't realize that people get kicked from the server and are maybe trying to get back on and most likely these winebabys are 10-15 year olds where Mommy and Daddy bought them a big Tank and they didn't earn it like most of us have..

[tanky_the_tank]

Konev, on Apr 01 2012 - 20:42, said:

I have to type and drive and fight if I want to respond, and while I didn't answer in the affirmative, I was doing what he had asked. And while I don't mind helpful advice, it was the tone he took when he didn't get the response he wanted, not my action. I was underway before he repeated himself. Yes, I should have let the crap slide like I have a hundred other times. But my response that "you're dead" wasn't saying I didn't agree with him (my actions show that I did); it was flip, not even overly rude. Because by the third or fourth time I am told to do something by someone who is paying enough attention to tell me to do it, but not enough to see that I am doing it, elicits a generally negative response. A dead guy who tells me I can make it has my doubts from go -- after all, he is dead. But the point of my meltdown was that when you (the proverbial you) go off on me, don't expect a happy response. I know I am not the only one (and I am made of tougher skin, thanks) that gets the trolls' responses whenever I respond to the negativity.

Just tell him you're not listening anymore. Or PM after if you want to give him your perspective. Once in a while the one telling you what to do will realize they were wrong and apologize. Or maybe they can explain better and you realize you missed something. Main thing is if it's a situation where you don't know enemy location and think you might be at limits of your tank performance, there's only so much any other player can do to help. They are guessing just like you. They can offer reasons for going one way but they won't always be right, and they don't know what would fit best with your playstyle.

You don't need to fall back on you're dead for that. If all they're doing is saying their guess is better than yours so you better obey, just tell them you're done listening, or ignore completely. Either their advice is helpful, or it isn't. You should consider it but you have no obligation to them.

[tanky_the_tank]

Eonwe, on Apr 01 2012 - 10:53, said:

Once up the hill we ran into a tank two tiers higher and he quickly stopped and began backing up... right into me. He gets blown up and I trade a few shots and get blown up too. Right after that I see "IDIOT!! MORON!!" from the dead guy. I admit, I should have not been on his butt and had I not been we might have come out alive, but I made a mistake, it happens. I forgave myself, promised myself not to be so stupid next time and still said to the dead guy "Go BLANK yourself."

Parking right behind someone is one of the worst ways to grief a teammate. Nobody enjoys dying all because of a teammate's bad position. It does happen but when it happens you owe it to the other player to apologize, not hit back at them. It's very easy to avoid by not putting your tank directly behind theirs, it's a basic courtesy people are right to expect.

[Duqe]

Not being a troll, but I'm Dyslexic and without a single paragraph cut in that post it's just a meaningless, incomprehensible blob of text to me.

Could you press enter between each paragraph please, for those of us that have a natural reading disadvantage?

[Eonwe]

CptSkyhawk, on Apr 01 2012 - 11:15, said:

Or he could be a normal person having fun.  You never know.  It's easy for you to call someone a 12 year old, or say they are a grown man living in their parent's basement when you disagree with them, but then again, for all we know, you are a 40 year old with a 12 year old's brain living in your parent's basement.  I'm not saying you are, but that's the thing about the internet.

I guess that's the difference between us. I don't give people who say mean and insensitive things about me credit for being a normal person having fun.

[Eonwe]

tanky_the_tank, on Apr 01 2012 - 21:59, said:

Parking right behind someone is one of the worst ways to grief a teammate. Nobody enjoys dying all because of a teammate's bad position. It does happen but when it happens you owe it to the other player to apologize, not hit back at them. It's very easy to avoid by not putting your tank directly behind theirs, it's a basic courtesy people are right to expect.

Oh please... let me count the apoligies I have recieved from people who have done that same thing to me on too many occasions to count... I have never ranted at them so maybe I was wrong not to try and intimidate an appology out of them. That probably explains why I never got one.

And please reread my post... I wasn't parked, I was still moving when he stopped. I recognize I shouldn't have been following right behind him and said so. It was a momentary lapse, not the worst grief of a teammate.

[patters]

with other people i say ignore is best.. but i also I AGREE with OP. we all need to rant and let off a bit of steam, we all have our bad days and moods, but blatant rudeness is just well... rude, same with my KV3 people always yell "oh go here, do this, do that!" well it's stock, its a KV.. its a big slow block and a huge target to the enemy, I will not sacrifice my tank to save a T-50 against a Ferdi... now when i get into games with IS7s and E-100 and such.. sure i'll offer to be a bullet-sponge for the arty against any rushers/scouts... but if its a close-tier game then... no

People dont understand tactical sacrifice is a VERY thin line and i will only do it for high-value assets... otherwise i will do my best to support from afar and put as much hurt as i can into the enemy, but i will not willingly "give up" my tank because people whine and complain thinking they are all-wise to my tank or play style. and I also am tired of seeing this kind of behavior in games, its freaking ridiculous the amount of harassment seen in some matches... now in all fairness there are a few rounds i been with an excellent group, but sadly those are rare,

[ThJudge]

Nuckchorris, on Apr 01 2012 - 00:43, said:

My eyes! The goggles do nothing!

Please keep your post relevant to the ongoing discussion.

Please have a thorough read through the World of Tanks rulesets to ensure further misunderstandings such as this, do not occur in future as rule violations may result in penalties being applied.

Brew_Up

I got it...


MENDOZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ThJudge]

Dont feel bad I got flamed by two guys the other night in a t10 match because I used my lowe as a sniper and got 4 kills while they used their KT's stupidly and got 0 kills... Flamed me for losing the game for em when I was the last one v 5 and arty got me... funny thing I have 3x the fights they do and each had an avg win rate of 45% but I was the noob. This is the kind of thing you can expect from online games like this... LOTS of kiddies and immature people who just like to sound cool...

Enjoy their QQ and add em to your ignore list... oh how it grows!!!!!

[Panzerbar]

If I'm still alive, the rule is "Don't type, just drive."

You can die too quickly to afford wasting time (even seconds) trying to reason with jerks.

[Gohibniu]

Everybody's funmeter has a pegging limit. I had a couple matches where I had to stop my tank and shoot a salvo at  the "keyboard kommanders". Helpful suggestions from the "peanut gallery" are welcome, but when people get downright nasty and self-rightous, it really detracts from the game.  If all these guys were experts, then where are their 100% win ratios? But I have noticed, as you have, that the nastiness and buggary have been on the increase.  This morning, for example, an AMX90 started complaining about something at the start of a match.  An amx 50 said something to the effect of" its complainers like you that keep getting us nerfed"- then the bickering really intensified and I just went on ignor mode  and proceded with my gameplay.  A moment later, BOOM, dead AMX90 and blue AMX 50 (just before enemy contact).  Like WTF?? we are a tank down before we even meet the enemy just because of a difference of opinion?  Of course, my win percentage did not improve that match.

I suggest WOT put some subliminal prozac in the video feed.

[cinwulf]

I just use the ignore button if someone bothers me that much.

[WoodStar]

See all these people that have been edited? These are the people hes talking about, because I can almost guarantee they act like that in game.

[PeterGunn_]

You mean this game has a chat window?

[Dorion44]

I feel your pain, as does alot of people.  Last week on Campinova, I was playing my 13 90.  The other team had four 13 90's and one of them got through to kill our arty which was a GW Panther I think.  Thats when it started.  The Panther personally blamed me for the 13 90 getting through and rode me the rest of that game.  Comments like "I bet your awesome in other games Dorion"  or "How can we possibly win without you Dorion", Blah, blah, blah.  Guy didn't give up the whole game.  Pretty much tried to get under my skin.  I just ignored him (not with the ignore button).  I knew I was trying to do my best and that I can't control every aspect of the game.  These are the worst kind of teammates.  Only care about themselves, with no empathy or capacity to understand that other things exist outside their little world of their own tank and their own stats.  If I drop the ball, I will be the first to admit it and apologize, but that's it.  Otherwise, I will not take responsibility or internalize their bad behavior.

On Satureday, I was on the western side of Steepes in my E8.  Me and a KV-3 were holding off a large advance from the enemy (4 tanks or so), when a 12t comes flying in behind us.  I turned to face and eliminate the 12t.  During that battle me and my teammate the KV-3 backed into eachother.  He died and I killed the 12t but soon was oblitered by the other 4 tanks.  As soon as I died, KV-3 called me out for blocking him.  I quickly apologized and told him I wouldn't do something like that on purpose.  He continued to rant.  I explained that I was trying to watch his back and sometimes stuff like this happens in the chaos of battle.  I was surprised he would think I did that to him on purpose, but who knows what kind of jerks he may have run into in the past.

Anyhow, let the miserable people go on with their miserable attitudes and live their miserable lives.  Thats their problem, not yours.  Not always easy, I know.  But bring politeness and a positive attitude to all your games and you'll be better off for it.  And you'll make some good friends in the process.

[opticalshadow]

yeah sometimes the deah are a bit to loud, ive been in my su-85/s-51/or kv3, have 5 kills, single handly responsible for our bases defence or the offences push though, and yet when i die i get so much flak for being the singel handed reason we lost. and im not talking 5 kills, im talking 5 100%-0% kills, all dmg to me.

it seems no matter how well you do in a game, some people will find need to flame you, and i find this especially true in my s-51. being an arty player just always opens me up to insult if anything goes wrong, reguardless of how little i have control over it, some games i get tons of kills, other games i do tons of dmg, but in nearly everygame, its my fault if anything goes wrong.

and i thank all of you who appriciate, saying "ns" and understand im not god in battle, and i cant hit everyone. even if i hit every time i fire, i can onyl shoot 12 times. getting positive reenforcment makes me play so much better, having a team that understands how hard that last shot was to pull off, or realizes how mny of my kills are blind shots i calculated, how many clutch saves ive made in a game. your the players i love having, i always try to let people know when they did great.

[Konev]

Duqe, on Apr 01 2012 - 22:02, said:

Not being a troll, but I'm Dyslexic and without a single paragraph cut in that post it's just a meaningless, incomprehensible blob of text to me.

Could you press enter between each paragraph please, for those of us that have a natural reading disadvantage?

I am as well and will try and perform an edit tonight when i have the time.

[r2rknot]

The_Exile, on Apr 01 2012 - 11:33, said:

Generally speaking it can be very annoying in a competitive team game to watch playes making mistakes they should have stopped making by T5, sure everyone has a  bad game now and then, but we are talking about players who make no effort to learn the most basic of things and will throw away a win through sheer stupidity, sometimes i think they actually have to be determined to remain that bad. Hell they even group up together just to insure they have an even better chance to be on the losing side. If this were a competitive sunday league sport game they would have been told long ago they are not good enough and should give up, even tho the sunday sports is also just for fun, it is not fun haing a player ruin your game and cause you to lose ever week, it is not fun having these poor players lose match after match for their teams

^^ This.  What some do not understand.  If you want carefree fun games, go play a single player game.  I'm here to be competitive.  If you don't, Im going to hound you for your really bad mistakes. (like top tank camping arty, or tds that never leave the base.

[Yoritomo]

r2rknot, on Apr 02 2012 - 18:51, said:

^^ This.  What some do not understand.  If you want carefree fun games, go play a single player game.  I'm here to be competitive.  If you don't, Im going to hound you for your really bad mistakes. (like top tank camping arty, or tds that never leave the base.

Then maybe you should stay out of PuB matches if your so competitive and take a game that serious. I like hounding guys just like you about your super seriousness attitude and your always right mentality bullshit.

The attitude some of you self proclaimed Pros have just makes me laugh, and this type of attitude grants you the right to be ignorant and rude towards others right.