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Tiny #101 Posted Nov 11 2010 - 21:23

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When are they going to fix the fact that the maus can be penetrated easily through the front mud guards, in other words the surfaces that is at a vertical angle (perpendicular) to you when you face it from the front.

That should be fixed plus that it should get its original armor and second gun. Even if that means it can only do 13kph. Lets make it about 15.

And perhaps it should get ability to upgrade to 150 mm gun, at least the better JagdT gun which I assume has more penetration. Although that would bring upgrades to the Tier 10 tanks, not sure if that's going to be the case, but I don't really see any reason why it shouldn't.

Also the price of 6100000 feels a bit to random.

And yes I have a Maus.

theta0123 #102 Posted Nov 18 2010 - 21:37

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While this issent about the maus armor, how bout this

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Self propelled prototype Maus with Dual 88mm guns from kingtiger. Origenly designed to be a AA support vehicle for other mauses, but also equipped to engage tanks

Tuccy #103 Posted Nov 18 2010 - 21:53

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View PostMARMIST, on Nov 10 2010 - 23:20, said:

Where do you find the courage to say these things ? For real ? There's a limit in trollin too you know ?  :angry:
What's trolling? Claiming, that Maus wunderwaffe was just a heap of scrap of bad design and another of Porsche's unserviceables? :)

Hyena #104 Posted Nov 18 2010 - 23:01

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View Posttheta0123, on Nov 18 2010 - 21:37, said:

While this issent about the maus armor, how bout this

Self propelled prototype Maus with Dual 88mm guns from kingtiger. Origenly designed to be a AA support vehicle for other mauses, but also equipped to engage tanks

While I like the crazy look of that. I think even with dual 88mms you still wouldn't do that much damage- against the upper tanks like IS-4/IS-7 I mean.

It's like when/if they add the Maus' 75mm. It'll be completely useless against anything but lights and possibly some meds. All in all, I'd rather the devs just fix the Maus' armour.

theta0123 #105 Posted Nov 18 2010 - 23:28

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View PostWhiteHyena, on Nov 18 2010 - 23:01, said:

View Posttheta0123, on Nov 18 2010 - 21:37, said:

While this issent about the maus armor, how bout this

Self propelled prototype Maus with Dual 88mm guns from kingtiger. Origenly designed to be a AA support vehicle for other mauses, but also equipped to engage tanks

While I like the crazy look of that. I think even with dual 88mms you still wouldn't do that much damage- against the upper tanks like IS-4/IS-7 I mean.

It's like when/if they add the Maus' 75mm. It'll be completely useless against anything but lights and possibly some meds. All in all, I'd rather the devs just fix the Maus' armour.
Then again, you will have much more succes VS tiers 7 and 8. That thing over there had a ROF of 20 RPM!

Hyena #106 Posted Nov 19 2010 - 01:50

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View Posttheta0123, on Nov 18 2010 - 23:28, said:

Then again, you will have much more succes VS tiers 7 and 8. That thing over there had a ROF of 20 RPM!


True! Although it's not usually tier 7/8 I worry about. It's 9 and 10 :D

20 ROF would be nice though- although honestly if we ever got this dual version in game I can guarantee the devs wouldn't give us anything close to that. It'd probably get nerfed to 5 or something ;(

murn123 #107 Posted Nov 20 2010 - 22:46

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I dont know if the wikipedia source is wrong or if devs actually nerfed maus`s armor but the stats for the maus armor on wikipedia are this :
460 mm (18 in) (in the area of the mantlet)
250 mm (9.8 in) (mantlet)
240 mm (9.4 in) (turret front)
220 mm (8.7 in) (turret side and rear, and hull front)
210 mm (8.3 in) (turret front behind the mantlet)
190 mm (7.5 in) (hull side and rear)

In game it is like this :
220 mm frontal turret armor
210 mm side and rear turret armor
200 mm frontal hull armor
185 mm side hull armor
160 mm rear hull armor

Can anyone tell if they nerfed it or is wikipedia wrong?? Maus could really use such armor 460 mm around the mantle means it would be inpenetrateable.  Also i think that (not sure) if HE cant penetrate  armor it does the same damage to the tank and it doesnt matter if the shell was fired to 150mm armor or 200mm armor (was driving su-152 with 152mm howitzer gun). I think maus should take less damage from HE shells due to heavy allaround armor.

murn123 #108 Posted Nov 21 2010 - 00:30

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View PostJocaTrica, on Sep 24 2010 - 06:41, said:

View PostFRlTZ, on Sep 24 2010 - 00:51, said:

the german 128L61 was ready in 1944.

So what? 130 mm S-70 was also fully operational in 1944. Reason it wasn't used is the same one why T-44 has never been deployed: simply, there was no need. T-34 armed with 85 mm gun was more than a match for everything that Germans would throw against it (notice that it could frontally penetrate Panther up to 900 m and Tiger up to 1300 m). For the rest of you QQ'ers, take a look at this graph showing armor penetration curves of the most widely used Soviet and Allied tank guns vs German armor, and bear in mind average distances on which tank battles in WoT are usually happening. Ranges from 0-100 m are not even included here, as well as 100, 107, 130 and 152 mm guns.

http://www.battlefie...netration_e.gif

Dont know where did you get those status but 122mm D-25 gun never had so good penetration. It was about 160mm penetration at 500m range with APCB shells. If those status were real then every1 would know that king tiger`s frontal armor could be easly penetrated by IS-2 which is not true.

PzGrenKdr #109 Posted Nov 21 2010 - 23:35

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imo this chart is from battelfield.ru, a very biased website. Also this test show also postwar-amo and not the bad wartime-amo. If you read the whole website you wonder that germany wasn´t defeated in 1941.

USMCG_Range #110 Posted Nov 27 2010 - 04:03

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ya the maus needs to be fixed with the real gun that they were goin to USE 150mm+  and the armor jeez nothing like being the size of a 2 story building and slow getting ur ass kicked all over the map. it was slow i;ll give it that but with all that armor and hi power gun it should have

painless #111 Posted Nov 27 2010 - 22:06

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ah, just drop it. It's never going to be fixed. Instead- look at our glorious is4/is7, comrade! :Smile_great:
but i will play maus after softwipe nevertheless, i just like it. i dont mind ridiculous dev's soviet ubertanks policy, but i'm afraid it's going to kill ingame diversity. very few people are going to play anything but russian heavies...

Tuccy #112 Posted Nov 27 2010 - 22:13

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View PostPzGrenKdr, on Nov 21 2010 - 23:35, said:

imo this chart is from battelfield.ru, a very biased website. Also this test show also postwar-amo and not the bad wartime-amo. If you read the whole website you wonder that germany wasn´t defeated in 1941.
Actually the chart, judhing from the types of guns present (ie no US 76mm, no Russian 100mm), seems to be from perhaps early 1944 or late 1943 nad some values are pretty close to other estimates - 45mm 20K, 57mm ZIS-2, 76mm F-34 - some are lower - 37mm US, 2pdr - US 75mm is slightly higher, but 85mm and 122m are totally off - my guess would be the problem lies in methodology. Also th 100m value for 85mm looks suspiciously close to 100m value usually quoted for 85mm APCR.
Anyway it seems to me that either the test for 122 is made up, or performed in non-standard conditions. And 85mm as well, if the round was really AP/APBC.

tokeen #113 Posted Nov 27 2010 - 23:20

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View Postsharpeh, on Sep 23 2010 - 09:43, said:

I wouldn't mind, in the span of 10 years I think the germans would of modified the maus from it's original plans at least a touch.

probably more than just a few :\

NinjaCool #114 Posted Dec 02 2010 - 17:23

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Next patch will boost Maus armor by +440hp which seems like a good boost  :Smile_honoring:

holonite #115 Posted Dec 02 2010 - 22:14

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maby give the maus the ability to crush broken tanks? so that choke points can't be blocked?

Tuccy #116 Posted Dec 02 2010 - 22:35

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View Posttokeen, on Nov 27 2010 - 23:20, said:

View Postsharpeh, on Sep 23 2010 - 09:43, said:

I wouldn't mind, in the span of 10 years I think the germans would of modified the maus from it's original plans at least a touch.

probably more than just a few :\
I would guess there would be just one step re. Maus: Scrapping ;) Future of German armor would be more likely to center on Panther II with some E-series goodies, IOW MBT.

holonite #117 Posted Dec 04 2010 - 21:41

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i think if the e-series do come out no one would even touch the maus. extinct just like the Dinos

bigeye123 #118 Posted Dec 05 2010 - 07:02

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People (with logic) would not touch the maus at all only mabye people like me(that just LUV the maus) will get it <_<

holonite #119 Posted Dec 05 2010 - 09:07

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View Postbigeye123, on Dec 05 2010 - 07:02, said:

People (with logic) would not touch the maus at all only mabye people like me(that just LUV the maus) will get it <_<

you gota have allot of patience too or have buddies with you while you roll in that thing

NinjaCool #120 Posted Dec 07 2010 - 14:36

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View Postmadgelo, on Dec 07 2010 - 13:22, said:

how is that an armor boost?
thats like 2 hits from 122mm HE of IS2

id rather have front armor above tracks fixed

It's not an actual Armor boost which I also wanted but extra 440 Hit Points is after all the highest HP boost any tank has gotten so fare (thats more then a standard T-34, S-51 or M4 Sherman has) and remember besides the actual upped HP, all internal modules will also get a boost in their HP values.




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