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LoEM's Photo LoEM Apr 03 2012

This tank is probably the most fun, most amusing and most effective I've played. Last night a friend of mine torpedo-rammed a Tiger II at 98% cap (our base) and reset it completely. Saved the round. In a round later on Province I managed to kill a Chaffee, AMX M4(1945), Easy 8 and an M37 in the same round, scoring an Ace Tanker badge in the process. In other rounds both I and others I've seen have been able to completely decimate enemy M18 Hellcats, AMX 12ts, StuG III, SU-85B, Wolverines, Pz III/IVs, Pz IVs (once), and the list goes on.

So is it just me and my play style, or is this tank akin to a speeding torpedo (meaning beastly)? I've never seen them do this well in battles until recently.
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Kitefella's Photo Kitefella Apr 03 2012

Tell us more about your play style.
To me, my T-50 is like a waterbug, skittering around, sometimes hard to control.
I think I'll like it if I ever get to a style of play for it that works!
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SargentOddBall's Photo SargentOddBall Apr 03 2012

t-50 series, along with the a-20's best weapons are their speed. a-20 at half speed can knock off 30% off of a kv-1/2, and at full i can knock off 50% off of a M6 heavy. when i see a t-50(-2) i always aim for the tracks, but they never seem to try to ram.
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LoEM's Photo LoEM Apr 03 2012

View PostKitefella, on Apr 03 2012 - 19:34, said:

Tell us more about your play style.
To me, my T-50 is like a waterbug, skittering around, sometimes hard to control.
I think I'll like it if I ever get to a style of play for it that works!
Ehh, well not much to tell. I move through areas that keep me covered (this includes rises and falls in the land, and foliage breaking their LOS) as I work towards enemy lines, quickly veer off when I light something, move to another area, try to light that, and try to keep whatever I spotted lit without dying (with some manner of prioritization). I also try to never stay on the same spot of the map for too long until I get a feel for where the enemy is. Pretty much what every scout should do. I guess the difference that I've seen in my style, is that if I see a good target all by itself I get in close..very close, circle, jitter, jute, do everything I can to confuse them and throw their aim off, and unload on them. Even if it's something near impossible to penetrate, like a KV (have to hit the hatch on the back of the turret), it usually distracts them until my allies can destroy them. You'd be surprised how many high tier tanks will turn away from that enemy with a 128mm slamming at them to try and hit the little mosquito dinging plastic BBs off their hull.

As for the handling, not sure what to say about that. I find the extreme cornering very beneficial to veering off in any direction at any given time rather than unwieldy. Keeps me from dying. Just keep your motions random, never pass directly in front of the boomstick if you can help it, and most importantly: never slow down. Avoid inclines and things that'll drop you below 40 KM/h. 40 is the danger zone; you always want to be above it when you don't have complete control of the situation. Control meaning, for instance, you grinding the tracks of an SPG so he can't turn, or keeping ahead of a KV-2's slow moving turret.

@SargentOddBall
T-50, not T-50-2. ;) Ramming is surprisingly (and amusingly) effective with a Spall Liner on it, though I save it for last-resorts or end-match kills where I know I'll kill them (and that it'll be funny as hell). Doesn't work against heavier tanks too well, but at times you can be surprised. Not sure why people don't do it more often. Then again, I'm not sure why more scout drivers don't try NOT to suicide...
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SargentOddBall's Photo SargentOddBall Apr 03 2012

View PostLoEM, on Apr 03 2012 - 20:02, said:

Ehh, well not much to tell. I move through areas that keep me covered (this includes rises and falls in the land, and foliage breaking their LOS) as I work towards enemy lines, quickly veer off when I light something, move to another area, try to light that, and try to keep whatever I spotted lit without dying (with some manner of prioritization). I also try to never stay on the same spot of the map for too long until I get a feel for where the enemy is. Pretty much what every scout should do. I guess the difference that I've seen in my style, is that if I see a good target all by itself I get in close..very close, circle, jitter, jute, do everything I can to confuse them and throw their aim off, and unload on them. Even if it's something near impossible to penetrate, like a KV (have to hit the hatch on the back of the turret), it usually distracts them until my allies can destroy them. You'd be surprised how many high tier tanks will turn away from that enemy with a 128mm slamming at them to try and hit the little mosquito dinging plastic BBs off their hull.

As for the handling, not sure what to say about that. I find the extreme cornering very beneficial to veering off in any direction at any given time rather than unwieldy. Keeps me from dying. Just keep your motions random, never pass directly in front of the boomstick if you can help it, and most importantly: never slow down. Avoid inclines and things that'll drop you below 40 KM/h. 40 is the danger zone; you always want to be above it when you don't have complete control of the situation. Control meaning, for instance, you grinding the tracks of an SPG so he can't turn, or keeping ahead of a KV-2's slow moving turret.

@SargentOddBall
T-50, not T-50-2. ;) Ramming is surprisingly (and amusingly) effective with a Spall Liner on it, though I save it for last-resorts or end-match kills where I know I'll kill them (and that it'll be funny as hell). Doesn't work against heavier tanks too well, but at times you can be surprised. Not sure why people don't do it more often. Then again, I'm not sure why more scout drivers don't try NOT to suicide...
T-50(-2) means both t-50's. Both t-50s are deadly. Suicscouting isn't effective IMO, and ramming is just fun.
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LoEM's Photo LoEM Apr 03 2012

View PostSargentOddBall, on Apr 03 2012 - 21:05, said:

T-50(-2) means both t-50's. Both t-50s are deadly. Suicscouting isn't effective IMO, and ramming is just fun.
Ahh, my apologies then. I don't have the T-50-2 yet, and I've only had my T-50 fully upgraded for about a week, but it's been long enough to completely agree with the fun factor of this tank. Suicscouting is just...well, IMO a sign that the driver either lacks skill or is just giving up without even trying. Especially when they do it right off the line.
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HOTA_CHATON's Photo HOTA_CHATON Apr 04 2012

I finished off an IS, in mine last night on Fjords.  Funny  I just re-purchased mine, paid to train my crew to 75%, put the rammer, vents, spall liner, and a
GRD on it and I am having the most fun I have had in a while.  I have also Kamikazied 4 tanks, in 4 different games, with mine, since I got it back and survived
all those encounters.
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Kitefella's Photo Kitefella Apr 04 2012

View PostLoEM, on Apr 03 2012 - 20:02, said:

Ehh, well not much to tell. I move through areas that keep me covered (this includes rises and falls in the land, and foliage breaking their LOS) as I work towards enemy lines, quickly veer off when I light something, move to another area, try to light that, and try to keep whatever I spotted lit without dying (with some manner of prioritization). I also try to never stay on the same spot of the map for too long until I get a feel for where the enemy is. Pretty much what every scout should do. I guess the difference that I've seen in my style, is that if I see a good target all by itself I get in close..very close, circle, jitter, jute, do everything I can to confuse them and throw their aim off, and unload on them. Even if it's something near impossible to penetrate, like a KV (have to hit the hatch on the back of the turret), it usually distracts them until my allies can destroy them. You'd be surprised how many high tier tanks will turn away from that enemy with a 128mm slamming at them to try and hit the little mosquito dinging plastic BBs off their hull.

As for the handling, not sure what to say about that. I find the extreme cornering very beneficial to veering off in any direction at any given time rather than unwieldy. Keeps me from dying. Just keep your motions random, never pass directly in front of the boomstick if you can help it, and most importantly: never slow down. Avoid inclines and things that'll drop you below 40 KM/h. 40 is the danger zone; you always want to be above it when you don't have complete control of the situation. Control meaning, for instance, you grinding the tracks of an SPG so he can't turn, or keeping ahead of a KV-2's slow moving turret.

@SargentOddBall
T-50, not T-50-2. ;) Ramming is surprisingly (and amusingly) effective with a Spall Liner on it, though I save it for last-resorts or end-match kills where I know I'll kill them (and that it'll be funny as hell). Doesn't work against heavier tanks too well, but at times you can be surprised. Not sure why people don't do it more often. Then again, I'm not sure why more scout drivers don't try NOT to suicide...


I try to do those things. I'm sure I can do better. I do appreciate you taking time to reply!

Kitefella  :)
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99VulcansHammers's Photo 99VulcansHammers Apr 05 2012

View PostLoEM, on Apr 03 2012 - 19:23, said:

This tank is probably the most fun, most amusing and most effective I've played. Last night a friend of mine torpedo-rammed a Tiger II at 98% cap (our base) and reset it completely. Saved the round. In a round later on Province I managed to kill a Chaffee, AMX M4(1945), Easy 8 and an M37 in the same round, scoring an Ace Tanker badge in the process. In other rounds both I and others I've seen have been able to completely decimate enemy M18 Hellcats, AMX 12ts, StuG III, SU-85B, Wolverines, Pz III/IVs, Pz IVs (once), and the list goes on.

So is it just me and my play style, or is this tank akin to a speeding torpedo (meaning beastly)? I've never seen them do this well in battles until recently.

I have a T-50 2022 battles. 1086 Kills.
I took my T-50 out of the strictly scouting waiting to get killed role when I got my 1st 100 kills.
I still scout, but when I figure the scouting is done I go help with the kills.
I have prem ammo I use against Tier7 to Tier9. Only way to pen those high tiers, but I have to get really close
I do alot of flanking and avoid 1 on 1 with a higher tier tanks, unless their HP is drastically low and I can kill them in no more than 3 shots.
I am passive when I have to be and aggressive when the need calls for it.
There is no way I could take down a Tier7 to Tier9 from 100% to zero, so I get in there and help
The element of surprise when you put the final touches on a Tiger II (4 killed) Lowe (2 Killed) Ausf A (1 killed) Ausf B (1 killed) T59 (6 killed) etc.
When you start to knock off a few Tier 7,8, and get damm lucky like I did with a kill on a Tier9., you gain confidence in the tank.
Many times I have forgotten this little beast only has 360 HP,and it's only a Tier4.
When I see a wounded Tier7,8,or 9 I'm after it and if I can get into position I will lay down some damage or get a kill. or get killed myself trying
Which to me is even more impressive when you play it like it wasn't MEANT TO BE PLAYED.
The T-50 is not just a damm good scout,waiting to get shot.
Get in there do some damage get a few kills.
Way to go T-50. Hard ass T-50 drivers are a rare breed!!
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alexsyl007's Photo alexsyl007 Apr 11 2012

Both the T-50's are extremely difficult to control and you need to have a sense of direction on every map, because your speed is your armor.......you stop for a second and your dead. Every tank from Tier1 to tier10 want to kill you first because they know what damage you can inflict on their team, especially with regard to artys.

That being said, I am waiting for the day when the Physics patch is released and I can't wait to drive my T-50 over a cliff and clean over a enemy Maus or E-100, imagine what a epic snapshot that would be.............
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Rackminster's Photo Rackminster Apr 11 2012

View Postalexsyl007, on Apr 11 2012 - 15:40, said:

That being said, I am waiting for the day when the Physics patch is released and I can't wait to drive my T-50 over a cliff and clean over a enemy Maus or E-100, imagine what a epic snapshot that would be.............
Personally, I can't wait to launch off a cliff and LAND on a Maus or E-100.

I want to find a way to "ride" the back of a Tier X as he trundles into battle and then dismount and scurry around like a deployed fighter.

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But really ... I don't Torpedo much of anything intentionally.  Last night I did, but it was out of frustration.  It was Himmelsdorf and I had taken down one enemy on the opposing hill and couldn't quite get away from the other two.  I have about 5hp left and decided to simply ram the M3 Lee that had been useless in fighting against me so he could have a kill.

I generally look for a solid vantage point and passive scout until I see an opening and then go for it to try and find artillery parking lots.  I do often get distracted by the solitary defending tanks and love to run circles around them and pick them apart.

Got the T-50 Ace medal last night in Province by firing 52 rounds and hitting with 31 of them.  All I did was park way up high and fire down at everything in the valley.  Hard.
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HalfTrack1981's Photo HalfTrack1981 Apr 29 2012

I am a die hard T-50 driver.  I am not afraid of any tank 1-1 save for the few I know I can't pen anywhere.  I've killed several tier 7-9 tanks solo, and a ton have been destroyed by arty or ally HT while they are so transfixed on killing me.  You do need to know a few things to be really successful in this tank:


1)  Maps.  You just gotta know them inside & out...where all the hard cover is, rolling hills & valleys, bushes long enough to hide in, etc.  When you're barreling along at 60 kph trying to escape or evade, you gotta be able to take advantage of every piece of cover, no matter how minor.

2)  Know that you can kill a lone HT, often without them getting off more than 1 shot, and every other tank with a slow traverse or turret traverse (study the tankopedia for turret & hull traverse speeds).

3)  When you are taking down TDs & arty, there will often be enemy helpers close by, so keep checking the mini-map and use your target as a shield when help arrives.

4)  Know when it is getting too hot & time to get the hell out of dodge (I ignore this all too often in favor of killing someone).

5)  The excellent acceleration & top speed allow you to get out there fast & find a good forward position on many maps (cliff for one), where you can literally watch the enemy spawn.  Again, there is a time to passively scout, and a time to get gone... only experience teaches this.  Sometimes folks see this as suiscouting, but really it is a huge advantage to have arty stay in place at spawn and tear up some enemy tanks and disrupt their spawn!  You will get killed any time you are scouting way out front, and folks are getting better at knowing how to lead a T-50 to track or kill it, but it can be invaluable to a team that responds to the intel you provide.

6)  Have fun...no better LT suited for this part of the game!!!
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99VulcansHammers's Photo 99VulcansHammers May 01 2012

View PostLoEM, on Apr 03 2012 - 19:23, said:

This tank is probably the most fun, most amusing and most effective I've played. Last night a friend of mine torpedo-rammed a Tiger II at 98% cap (our base) and reset it completely. Saved the round. In a round later on Province I managed to kill a Chaffee, AMX M4(1945), Easy 8 and an M37 in the same round, scoring an Ace Tanker badge in the process. In other rounds both I and others I've seen have been able to completely decimate enemy M18 Hellcats, AMX 12ts, StuG III, SU-85B, Wolverines, Pz III/IVs, Pz IVs (once), and the list goes on.

So is it just me and my play style, or is this tank akin to a speeding torpedo (meaning beastly)? I've never seen them do this well in battles until recently.
It is the tank. I have killed Lowes and even finished off an AusfB (tier9).
with gold rounds mind you, but it was the only way to pen those bad boys.
Good to see more players using the T-50 as a skilled killer way to go!!
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HeroEnVec's Photo HeroEnVec May 01 2012

T-50 is a joy to use.  Nothing accelerates and corners like it in game.  You can rush around a corner into an enemy ambush and maneuver your way through them (make them look like morons) without ever losing speed or getting hit.  Fantastic tank.
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