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What would be best for tier VIII

  1. FCM 2C (3 votes [9.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.68%

  2. FCM F1 (18 votes [58.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.06%

  3. G1 L (1 vote [3.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

  4. P. 40 (6 votes [19.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.35%

  5. 2C BIS (3 votes [9.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.68%

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wheeled_tank #1 Posted Apr 08 2012 - 06:05

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FCM 2C:
Armor: 45mm
Cannon: 75mm SA35
Speed: 15 km/h


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2C BIS(Same as FCM 2C but with 155mm cannon)


http://www.heberger-...32_S_rie_G1.png
G1 L:(Middle one)
Armor:60mm
Cannon:47mm(AMX-38 cannon) then 75mm
Speed:40km/h


http://france1940.fr...hotos/FCMF1.jpg
FCM F1:
Armor:100mm
Cannons:90mm and 47mm
Speed:20km/h


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P.40
Armor:50 max
Cannon:75mm
Speed:25km/h off-road 40 km/h on road

ugluk69 #2 Posted Apr 08 2012 - 06:20

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Pretty sure the P40 is an Italian tank....just sayin.... :rolleyes:

Nytherr #3 Posted Apr 08 2012 - 06:21

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I'm really sure it's the FCM F1. Saw it on the Tech Tree. More of a KV-5, weak gun, good armor.

flyingmole #4 Posted Apr 08 2012 - 06:22

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that FCM F1 is huge! i think that would suit tier eight more than the others but im liking that 2C BIS

KnightFandragon #5 Posted Apr 08 2012 - 06:23

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Tier 8? Those tanks? Surely you are simply suffering from the after affects of to much ingested cordite....NONE of those tanks are even good enough to be T4 premiums.   Id take the AMX 50-120 as the Premium T8 before ANY of those T2s....

ApplesauceBandit #6 Posted Apr 08 2012 - 06:26

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I think it is going to be this, the Somua SM:
http://mainbattletan...ky/somua-sm.jpg
information on it is scarce, but it had a 100mm gun and was inspired by the KT.

UncleKish #7 Posted Apr 08 2012 - 06:27

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P40 is definitely an italian design, carro armato pesante (heavy,P) 26/40 yup good call. :Smile_honoring:

Harkonen_siegetank #8 Posted Apr 08 2012 - 06:28

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View Postugluk69, on Apr 08 2012 - 06:20, said:

Pretty sure the P40 is an Italian tank....just sayin.... :rolleyes:
It is listed under "Captured tank"...just sayin...

ApplesauceBandit #9 Posted Apr 08 2012 - 06:30

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View PostNytherr, on Apr 08 2012 - 06:21, said:

I'm really sure it's the FCM F1. Saw it on the Tech Tree. More of a KV-5, weak gun, good armor.
I don't think it will be that for a few reasons:

  • It only has a max of 100mm of armor
  • It's HUGE
  • The main gun has 135mm of penetration in-game
  • the secondary one has only 66mm of penetration IIRC
  • It's slow

That rear turret is the stock turret for the ARL-44 to give you a sense of scale.

Viceroyphoenix #10 Posted Apr 08 2012 - 06:32

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As another guy said all of em but one are more like tier3 to tier 5 tanks 75mm guns are not tier8 the dmg and pen are too low the guy above me posted the most viable tank just by looking at it u can tell its a more mordern design than the other tanks and if it has the 100mm gun then it would be a good tier8 prem

alexcoppen #11 Posted Apr 08 2012 - 06:33

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None of them seem suitable

KnightFandragon #12 Posted Apr 08 2012 - 06:35

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View PostHarkonen_siegetank, on Apr 08 2012 - 06:28, said:

It is listed under "Captured tank"...just sayin...

Lol, doesnt make it not Italian.  :Smile_great:

Nytherr #13 Posted Apr 08 2012 - 06:48

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View PostApplesauceBandit, on Apr 08 2012 - 06:30, said:

I don't think it will be that for a few reasons:

  • It only has a max of 100mm of armor
  • It's HUGE
  • The main gun has 135mm of penetration in-game
  • the secondary one has only 66mm of penetration IIRC
  • It's slow

That rear turret is the stock turret for the ARL-44 to give you a sense of scale.

1,2: Prove that it only has 100 mm of maximum armor. If the armor is that weak, it wouldn't be that big as it is now.
3: For the sake of balance, they wouldn't give it that 90 mm DCA 30 with an average penetration of 135 mm. They would rather give it the 90 mm DCA 45 which has 212 mm of average penetration. By the way, it's made to attack fortifications not enemy tanks. So that really doesn't make any sense.
4: Wrong. It's secondary gun doesn't really matter when fighting its tier or higher or somewhere lower. Why would you want to use a tier 3 gun against tier 7s, 8s, 9s and 10s? Not only, but say its average. Again, it's made to attack fortifications not enemy tanks. So that really doesn't make any sense.
5: Let's say, 100 mm of maximum armor, it wouldn't reach the weight 139 metric tons. I'll say it would be below, and it will be powered by two Renault V12 KGM with a horsepower of 550 each, that would give it about 1,100 horsepower. Let's say it weighs 90 metric tons rather than 139 metric tons, due to the amount of armor, 100 mm of maximum armor you were saying. If that's the case, it would run with about 11.5 horsepower per ton, while on the other hand, the 139 ton would run about 8 horsepower per ton. That statement "slow" wouldn't be placed there if it is lightly armored for a tall, huge, super heavy tank.

ApplesauceBandit #14 Posted Apr 08 2012 - 07:09

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View PostNytherr, on Apr 08 2012 - 06:48, said:

1,2: Prove that it only has 100 mm of maximum armor. If the armor is that weak, it wouldn't be that big as it is now.
3: For the sake of balance, they wouldn't give it that 90 mm DCA 30 with an average penetration of 135 mm. They would rather give it the 90 mm DCA 45 which has 212 mm of average penetration. By the way, it's made to attack fortifications not enemy tanks. So that really doesn't make any sense.
4: Wrong. It's secondary gun doesn't really matter when fighting its tier or higher or somewhere lower. Why would you want to use a tier 3 gun against tier 7s, 8s, 9s and 10s? Not only, but say its average. Again, it's made to attack fortifications not enemy tanks. So that really doesn't make any sense.
5: Let's say, 100 mm of maximum armor, it wouldn't reach the weight 139 metric tons. I'll say it would be below, and it will be powered by two Renault V12 KGM with a horsepower of 550 each, that would give it about 1,100 horsepower. Let's say it weighs 90 metric tons rather than 139 metric tons, due to the amount of armor, 100 mm of maximum armor you were saying. If that's the case, it would run with about 11.5 horsepower per ton, while on the other hand, the 139 ton would run about 8 horsepower per ton. That statement "slow" wouldn't be placed there if it is lightly armored for a tall, huge, super heavy tank.
*This information is no longer from memory, thus should be accurate*

1• I did some digging and it appear it is 120mm max (I am going to asume that is the mantlet.  Usually when it says "X tank has 35mm of armor", that means a maximum thickness of 35mm).  120mm with such little slope would be quite weak for a tier 8.  Like the Char 2C, it has a smaller amount of armor so it doesn't weigh too much and won't be super costly on resources.

3• The devs have, and always will give gold tanks their historical equipment.  This means no matter how much everyone whines, bitches, begs, etc., nothing will remove the DCA 30.

4• I will agree the second gun is useless aginst higher tiers.  

5•  A quick search will show you it has a top speed of 24 km/h.  It won't go as fast as you would think because of the old style track system and a probably crappy transmission.  It won't weigh 90 tons because it's so freaking huge.  The thing is the size of a house!  Think Lorraine 40t,  it only has a max of 45mm of armor but is about 40 tons.  This is due to the huge size.  Generally, size changes weight more than armor does.

You keep bringing up the fortification assualt thing.  This is another reason  why it would suck at tier 8.

Killertomato #15 Posted Apr 08 2012 - 07:39

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45mm of armor and a 76mm gun at tier 8? It'd have to move at light speed and turn on a penny to have the T-14's value for money.

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View Postwheeled_tank, on Apr 08 2012 - 06:05, said:

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FCM 2C:
Armor: 45mm
Cannon: 75mm SA35
Speed: 15 km/h


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2C BIS(Same as FCM 2C but with 155mm cannon)


http://www.heberger-...32_S_rie_G1.png
G1 L:(Middle one)
Armor:60mm
Cannon:47mm(AMX-38 cannon) then 75mm
Speed:40km/h


http://france1940.fr...hotos/FCMF1.jpg
FCM F1:
Armor:100mm
Cannons:90mm and 47mm
Speed:20km/h


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P.40
Armor:50 max
Cannon:75mm
Speed:25km/h off-road 40 km/h on road
I wouldn't buy any of them....they're all ugly and look painfully weak and undergunned.

Manic_Wombat #17 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 02:12

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The Somua looks plausible but how different would out be from a Lorraine?

Tupinambis #18 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 05:30

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About the FCM F1, was it armed with the 135 pen gun? Or was it planned with the 90mm DCA-45?

If it had the latter this thing could really be an excellent tier 8, even with its terribad armor [provided its RoF was decent].

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View PostApplesauceBandit, on Apr 08 2012 - 06:26, said:

I think it is going to be this, the Somua SM:
http://mainbattletan...ky/somua-sm.jpg
information on it is scarce, but it had a 100mm gun and was inspired by the KT.


View PostBluegumtiger, on Apr 12 2012 - 02:12, said:

The Somua looks plausible but how different would out be from a Lorraine?

quoting myself from another thread.

View Postiamablocker, on Apr 06 2012 - 21:38, said:

I somehow want the Souma SM to be a Tier 8 premium choice.

But to balance it out with the AMX 50/100 and Lorr40, i would suggest the following:

Slower top speed or acceleration
Larger turn radius/slower hull traverse
4-shot magazine instead of 6

may think of others if needed.


Nytherr #20 Posted Apr 20 2012 - 03:40

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The FCM F1 is here!