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This makes my heart go warm. KV-3 exp points will stay on it on Tier 7, 90k XP for KV-4 gooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

DelayedFuse, on Apr 11 2012 - 17:51, said:

It'll probably be similar to the 120mm of the Americans.  IE 400 damage.

I am expecting the 122mm M62-T2 to be:

Accuracy : 0.39
Penetration: 249mm with (BR-472) AP and 300mm with (BP-460A) HEAT.
Damage: 390
RoF: 5-5.6
Aim time: 2.9s

I suspect Soviet Tanks will not have as high DPM as USA tanks.

Let's use the Maus and E-100 as a comparison for this. The Maus only gets the 128mm gun, 490 average damage. The E-100 can either get that gun (that doesn't get a rate of fire bonus) or the less accurate 150mm gun that does 750 average damage. The Maus gets a rate of fire bonus to make up for the lower alpha of the gun.

So, even though the situation isn't exactly the same, they do need to balance out the tank guns. With the IS-7 keeping the 130mm, the 122mm needs some advantage over the S-70 other than average damage per shot. It might be rate of fire, it might be penetration, it might be accuracy, it might be aim time, or it might be a combination of the above. I'd expect some accuracy, some aim time, and significant rate of fire advantages with the same 390 average damage.

djuice1701, on Apr 11 2012 - 18:05, said:

i doubt they would have a 400+ DPM difference between the 2 guns of they wanted them to preform similarly i can see them shooting for a equal DPM but maybe have the russian gun be slightly higher avg damage (415-425 maybe) with a slower rate of fire ~5.8-6 rounds a minute with the new stats displaying system. Possibly 250 or so pen with maybe a 2.8 aim time and .36 accuracy. You have to remember the 122mm gun we are talking about is the one from the T-10M which was a modernized version of the tank taken into the Russian inventory in 1957 so it should have very close overall stats to the other more modern in game guns like the M58.

I could see it being lower Pen though to differentiate it from the T110 gun since the IS-4 has much better side/rear armor for close range fighting to deal with being flanked which must be taken into account when trying to balance 2 tanks not just their weapons have to be equal the total package of the tanks need to be along the same power.

hoom, on Apr 11 2012 - 17:49, said:

ZiS-4 can rip through weak spots of all kinds of stuff above its tier. 112 pen, 85 dmg, 26 rpm, .34 accuracy and 2.3 aim time. Would be frightening combined with KV armor.

This is just bizarre -- Russian tanks haven't been balanced in terms of DPM outside of the Su-152's top 122mm.

Right now the IS-4 is looking to be a confusing mix of capabilities: brisk mobility for a heavy (but not as good as IS-7 or T110E5), small profile, good armor thickness and slope (with some glaring weakspots), and presumably a low-alpha, DPM-type gun.  

That's a what... tier 10 3601? Best analogy to an extant tank with the same range of capabilities for its tier.

ArmoredCorps, on Apr 11 2012 - 18:34, said:

You have to remember they talked a while ago that it will see armor buffs probably too. I can't remember the post but i remember them saying they may up its frontal armor considerably , i believe they said around 200mm, which would make it have very good armor the driver port isn't as easy as people think on a smart IS4 driver. Give it a more accurate 122mm close to the T110 and you can fight at even better ranges and the weaknesses are even harder to hit.

ArmoredCorps, on Apr 11 2012 - 18:34, said:

Hadn't thought of it that way, LOL.

It may get buffed into similar stats as the top gun on he su-152 which is the highest dps of any gun in the game. Only 175 pen tho...  Buy gold ammo. As for me I hope it remain the same as on the IS so those noob research skippers can finally get really laid into by their team. Sorry to rant had 2 IS4 on my team yesterday with D25t on them...... Grouped.

sephrus, on Apr 11 2012 - 19:57, said:

*shakes head in wonder*

I just don't understand it. I'm working on that line right now, and with the expected release date on 7.3 I think I'll have time to get the IS-4 before the switch. However, even if I skipped the BL-9 to unlock the IS-4 faster (and even purchased it), for damn sure I would go back and grind out the BL-9 on the IS-3 before I played the IS-4. Just the thought of being a tier 9 tank with a 175 penetration gun gives me shudders.

sephrus, on Apr 11 2012 - 19:57, said:

Not that this is super-relevant but I think the JT has the SU-152 beat in terms of DPM.

I think that we are looking for something like this for the M62-T2:

Damage: 450
Rof: 4.66
Accuracy: .4
pen : 250
Aiming time: 3


With those stat the dpm would be a little better than the Maus (The IS-4 will probably be a little weaker than the Maus), with Russian accuracy. A middle ground pen and aiming time for a good all around gun.

.. I didnt see anything about the KV-3 getting an HP buff if its going up a tier. It'd be nice if they bumped it up to at least 1k.

I would be willing to bet they would buff the D-25T a little for tier X, otherwise I might end up playing the IS-4 a little to get that S-70 unlocked.

Elepole, on Apr 11 2012 - 20:34, said:

Accuracy .4? A tier 10 gun with accuracy .4 is more like junk... Even the 150mm from e100 has something better than that. I see no way this gun, while being more advanced to BL9 would have a worse accuracy. (Of course, I am using 133% stats).

400
6
.32
270
2.5

(old 133% stats)

I could live with that

Proxus, on Apr 11 2012 - 22:17, said:

That would be actually too good for me lol.. I could live with 260 penetration. Although it's reasonable to give a modernized 122mm higher penetration than S70. The other thing is that while T110 can live with lower alpha because of its good mobility. IS4 is sluggish so a low alpha is more detrimental to IS-4.

teamoldmill, on Apr 11 2012 - 17:41, said:

12.8 is a very good gun considering its accuracy. It's not like I only play Russian tanks so I am talking crap about german tanks. I have both E100 and IS7 so I am fairly impartial on that. Of course nowadays US guns seem to be the best. E75 mounting that gun simply rolls over other tanks...

OK, WTF? I know what happens to the KV and KV3 in my garage, blah, blah.... But I am still confused about the IS4

Note I have them ALL, from KV to IS7...

So when 7.3 is released my IS4 goes to tier10 in the other tree, do I get a free tier 9 or not?????? Like I got the free T110 and M103.
Or do I have a tier 10 IS4 with a boatload of XP on it?

Yes it is nice that my KV3 will have enough XP sitting there to instantly unlock the KV4!!!

But please SIMPLE answer on WTF happens with the IS4, free tank or not??

Thanks