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JDCollie #1 Posted Apr 11 2012 - 21:45

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List of changes from the Russian website for 7.3; enjoy!

Note: I tried to clean up the translation as much as possible, but there were some bits I just couldn't work out; I've included the original Google translation in spoilers in those situations.





Dear players, as you know, the next update 0.7.3 will bring not only new maps and premium French tanks, but also the long-awaited changes to the branch of the Soviet heavy tank tree.

Changes to the USSR heavy tank tree, see below.


Replacing the IS-3 with the T-150

A shift up one level of the tank KV-3 (tier 6 tier 7) with the addition in its place a new heavy tank T-150 (tier 6). Thus, a branch of Soviet heavy tanks for tiers 5-8 will look like this (without a branch in KV-1S): KV-1 (Tier 5) -> T-150 (Tier 6) -> KV-3 (Tier 7) - > KV-4 (Tier 8).

Option 1. KV-3 was researched but not currently owned (i.e., you don't have one in the garage when 7.3 goes live):

  • If the "in-2IS" engine has been researched for the tier 6 KV-3, it will be researched for the KV-3 at tier 7; the same applies to the radio "10RK";
  • If the turret has been research, "KV-3" for the tier 6 KV-3, it will be researched for the KV-3 at tier 7;
  • If the suspension has been researched, "KV-3 bis" for the tier 6 KV-3, it will be researched for the KV-3 at tier 7;
  • If the 107mm "ZIS-6" has been researched for the KV-3 at tier 6, this gun will be researched in the tier 6 T-150's tech tree and would subsequently also be researched for the tier 7 KV-3.
  • If the 100mm gun "D-10T" and 122mm "D2-5T" were researched for the tier 6 KV-3, they will be researched for the tier 7 KV-3.
  • The accumulated experience on the tier 6 KV-3 will be transferred to the tier 7 KV-3.
  • All modules currently owned by the player for the tier 6 KV-3 which cannot fit on the tier 7 KV-3 (i.e., do not exist on the new KV-3) will be sold at purchase price.
  • All tier 6 KV-3 modules currently owned by the player which can fit on the tier 7 KV-3 will be kept by the player. All shells will also be kept by the player.
  • Any member of the crew in the barracks or crewing the player's tank, which has specialized in the tier 6 KV-3, receives a specialization in the tier 7 KV-3 without any changes or penalties;
  • Player stats on the tier 6 KV-3 goes to the tank T-150 with no losses or penalties - all the achievements are retained by the player;
  • The player offers the T-150 of the sixth level, and study design of this tank will be open KV-3 seventh level. (<-- no idea what this meant :/ )

Option 2. Tier 6 KV-3 was present in the player's garage at 7.3's launch. All Option 1 changes will occur, and additionally so will the following:
  • Tier 6 KV-3 tier 7 KV-3 with preservation of the installed modules: guns, radios and engines, as well as receive top-end turret and top-end chassis are subject to availability on a tier 6 KV-3;
  • Ammunition loaded on the tier 6 KV-3 is transferred to the the player's warehouse;
  • Consumables (fire extinguishers, first aid kit, etc.) installed on the tier 6 KV-3 will be installed on the new tier 7 KV-3;
  • Equipment (Spall liners, Gun Laying Drive, etc.) installed in the tier 6 KV-3 will be uninstalled and transferred to the player's warehouse for no cost or penalty.
  • Crew members currently manning the tier 6 KV-3 will be transferred to the tier 7 KV-3 as per Option 1, Item 9.
  • Camouflage installed the tier 6 KV-3 will be transferred to the tier 7 KV-3. Additionally, the T-150 will also receive the same camouflage. Term of use for camouflage on both machines (KV-3 and T-150), is equal to the period of use on the tier 6 KV-3 at the time of the change; (i.e., if the KV-3 had permanent camo, both your new KV-3 and your new T-150 will also have permanent camo.)
  • A player gets one free tank slot in his garage;
  • A player receives a stock tier 6 T-150 without any additional modules or supplies, but with 100% trained crew and no additional skills.

Replacement details for the KV-1 and KV-2

The tier 5 KV will be divided into the KV-1 (tier 5) and the KV-2 (tier 6).

Option 1. KV was researched but not currently owned (i.e., you don't have one in the garage when 7.3 goes live):

  • The accumulated undistributed experience on the KV is transferred to the KV-2;
  • All crew members in the barracks or on the player's tank who trained for the KV are trained for the KV-1 without any changes or penalties;
  • Player stats on the KV go to KV-1 with no loss or penalty, all the achievements are saved;
  • If the suspension has been researched for the KV, then the suspension will be researched for the KV-1;
  • If the "in-2K" engine has been researched for the KV, the engines "M-17F" and "B-2K" will be researched for the KV-1. The "in-2K" will remain researched for the KV-2;
  • If the 76 mm cannon "C-54" was researched for the KV, the 57 mm cannon "413" will be researched for the KV-1;
  • If the turret "KV-2" has been researched for the KV, the turret "project CTZ" will be researched for the KV-1, and the KV-2 tank will be researched in the KV-1's tech tree. (this one is a bit ambiguous, the original Google translation is in the spoiler.)
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  • If the 152 mm gun, "M-10" is researched for the KV, the 152mm "M-10" will be researched for the KV-2;
  • If the 107 mm gun "ZIS-6" is researched for the KV tanks, the 107 mm gun "ZIS-6" will be researched for the KV-2;
  • If the KV-1S is researched in the KV tech tree, the KV-1S will be researched in the KV-1 tech tree;
  • If the KV-3 is researched in the KV tech tree, the T-150 will be researched in the KV-1 tech tree;
  • If the S-51 has be researched in the KV tech tree, the S-51 will be researched in the KV-2 tech tree;
  • All KV modules owned by the player which no longer fit on existing tanks will be sold for their purchase price and the credits given to the player's account.
  • All KV modules owned by the player which still fit on existing tanks but are not currently mounted will be retained in the player's warehouse. All shells will also be retained in the player's warehouse.
  • If the player's KV was elite, the replacement KV-1 will also be elite.

Option 2. KV was present in the player's garage at 7.3's launch:

  • KV (tier 5) is replaced by the KV-1 (tier 5);
  • Ammunition loaded on the KV is transferred to the player's warehouse;
  • Supplies installed on the KV remain on the tank KV-1;
  • Additional equipment installed on the KV is removed to the player's warehouse without any cost to the player;
  • If the turret "KV-2" was researched, the player receives the tier 6 KV-2 heavy tank with no additional modules or consumables, as well as a free tank slot; (original wording is odd, may imply that the garage slot will only be given if there is now available slot for the KV-2)
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  • KV-2 will receive a new 100% trained crew with no additional skills;
  • Camouflage installed the KV will be transferred to the KV-2. Additionally, the KV-1 will also receive the same camouflage. Term of use for camouflage on both machines (KV-1 and KV-2), is equal to the period of use on the KV at the time of the change; (i.e., if the KV had permanent camo, both your new KV-1 and your new KV-2 will also have permanent camo.)
  • Modules mounted on KV, which are no longer usable on any existing tank will be sold for purchase price, credits received from their sale to the player's account.
  • The modules that were installed on the KV and can be used on other tanks are transferred to the warehouse.
  • A player gets one free tank slot in his garage; (despite this being mentioned twice in this particular option, I believe this still means that you will only receive at most one tank slot for the KV changes.)

The IS-4 and IS-8

The IS-4 will be shifted up one tier (tier 9 to tier 10) and will be replaced at tier 9 with the IS-8. The IS-4 is also moved to a separate heavy tank branch. Thus, the first branch of the Soviet heavy tanks at tiers 8-10 is as follows: IS-3 (tier 8) -> IS-8 (tier 9) -> IS-7 (tier 10). The second branch of the Soviet heavy tanks at tiers 8-10 is as follows: KV-4 (tier 8) -> ST-1 (tier 9) -> IS-4 (tier 10).

Option 1. The IS-4 was researched but not currently owned (i.e., you don't have one in the garage when 7.3 goes live):

  • All researched modules for the IS-4 are changed to the corresponding modules for IS-8 in the IS-8 research tree;
  • If the "B-12" engine was researched for the IS-4, the engine "V-12-6" will be researched for the IS-8;
  • If the radios "12RT" and "P113" were researched for the IS-4, they will also be researched for the IS-8;
  • If the turret "Ob.701 number 5" was researched for the IS-4, the turret "T-10M" will be researched for the IS-8;
  • If the suspension "IP-4M" was researched for the IS-4, the suspension "T-10M" will be researched for the IS-8; (it seems to have tracks at a turret with the same name)
  • If the 122 mm gun "BL-9"  was researched for the IS-4, it will be researched for the IS-8;
  • If the 130 mm gun "S-70"  was researched for the IS-4, the 122 mm gun "M62-T2" will be researched for the IS-8 and tier 10 IS-4; (the M62-T2 is apparently NOT researched by default for the IS-4, kinda like the E-100)
  • The accumulated experience on the IS-4 is transferred to the IS-8;
  • All modules owned by the player for the IS-4, and no longer compatible with any existing tanks will be sold for their purchase price and the credits given to the player's account.
  • All fit in the tanks from the tank modules EC-4 (radios, engines, tools) stored on the stock player, the same applies to all existing players in these shells implements; (no clue how to clean up this line... sorry)
  • Any member of the crew in the barracks or on the player's IS-4, which are trained for the tier 9 IS-4 will be retrained for the tier 10 IS-4 without any other changes or penalties;
  • Player stats for the IS-4 are transferred to the IS-8 without any losses or penalties, awards are retained.

Option 2. Tank IS-4 was present in the player's garage at 7.3's launch. Option 1 for the IS-4 is in effect, as are additionally the following:

  • Tier 9 IS-4 is replaced by tier 9 IS-8;
  • In accordance with IS-4 Option 1, Item 8, the current module configuration on the player's IS-4 will be transferred to the IS-8. Exception: If the IS-4 is currently mounting the 100 mm gun, "D-10T", the IS-8 replacement will be equipped with the 122 mm weapon "BL-9";
  • Ammunition loaded on the IS-4 will be transferred to the player's warehouse.
  • Supplies that are installed on the IS-4 will be installed on the IS-8;
  • Additional equipment installed on the IS-4, will be uninstalled and transferred to the warehouse without any cost or penalty to the player;
  • The IS-8 will receive a new 100% trained crew without any additional skills;
  • A player receives a free tank slot in his garage;
  • If the player's tier 9 IS-4 has researched/mounted (some ambiguity here in the translation) the "S-70", then the player will receive a tier 10 IS-4 with the 122mm "M62-T2", otherwise the player will receive a new tier 10 IS-4 with the "D25-T"; (which may not be the D-25T; there is a great deal of debate on the Russian forums on this subject.)
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  • The crew of the tier 9 IS-4, in accordance with IS-4 Option 1, Item 11, will be transferred to and trained for the tier 10 IS-4 without penalty.
  • Camouflage installed the tier 9 IS-4 will be transferred to the tier 10 IS-4. Additionally, the IS-8 will also receive the same camouflage. Term of use for camouflage on both machines (IS-4 and IS-8), is equal to the period of use on the tier 9 IS-4 at the time of the change; (i.e., if the tier 9 IS-4 had permanent camo, both your new tier 10 IS-4 and your new IS-8 will also have permanent camo.)

View the entire tree of Soviet tanks here.

Please note that by the time the 0.7.3 update may have been some changes.




And now, for your viewing pleasure, the IS-4 tier X as seen on the Russian test server!

http://cs303201.user.../z_0a2ff5c7.jpg

Tupinambis #2 Posted Apr 11 2012 - 21:49

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I said this before, but I'll say it again.

IS-4 worst stock tank ever.

Whee #3 Posted Apr 11 2012 - 21:50

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View PostTupinambis, on Apr 11 2012 - 21:49, said:

I said this before, but I'll say it again.

IS-4 worst stock tank ever.

Ehh... yeah it does kinda suck without the new turret and S-70 gun. But it's not the worst stock tank IMO.

rinying #4 Posted Apr 11 2012 - 21:53

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View PostTupinambis, on Apr 11 2012 - 21:49, said:

I said this before, but I'll say it again.

IS-4 worst stock tank ever.

obviously never played a stock t34........

littlebob #5 Posted Apr 11 2012 - 21:55

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i just read your post that's alot of info great work this should clear things up for a lot of players, i do have a question when they move the KV3 to tier7 do you think it will get more hp i think it will need a little more.

NGU873X #6 Posted Apr 11 2012 - 22:05

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WOOOT they said we would get our installed equipment back at the buying price

JDCollie #7 Posted Apr 11 2012 - 22:10

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View PostNGU873X, on Apr 11 2012 - 22:05, said:

WOOOT they said we would get our installed equipment back at the buying price
No, you get your modules back for the buying price. Equipment is simply uninstalled for free.

JDCollie #8 Posted Apr 11 2012 - 22:12

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View Postrinying, on Apr 11 2012 - 21:53, said:

obviously never played a stock t34........
AGREED.  An otherwise stock IS-4 with only the BL-9 is nearly as useful to a team as the elite T34 was unless the T34 was very skillfully driven.

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View PostJDCollie, on Apr 11 2012 - 22:10, said:

No, you get your modules back for the buying price. Equipment is simply uninstalled for free.

aah well I can live with it  :mellow:

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View Postrinying, on Apr 11 2012 - 21:53, said:

obviously never played a stock t34........
198mm pen stock gun for tier 9 vs 175mm pen stock gun for tier 10 and terrible accuracy.

The stock IS-4 is going to have issues penning enemies a full two tiers below it. Not even the stock Panzer IV and BDR G1B have this problem.

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View PostTupinambis, on Apr 11 2012 - 22:20, said:

198mm pen stock gun for tier 9 vs 175mm pen stock gun for tier 10 and terrible accuracy.

The stock IS-4 is going to have issues penning enemies a full two tiers below it. Not even the stock Panzer IV and BDR G1B have this problem.
A stock T34 didn't have 198 penetration, it used a 90mm with ~185 penetration, 240 damage, and accuracy that was, like every gun for the T34, actually worse than its Russian couterpart.  And while the IS-4 might have issues penetrating tanks two tier below it, the T34 got penetrated frontally in return by tank FIVE tiers below it even when it was elite.

I recognize that, like any stock tier 9, the IS-4 is no picnic, but calling it the worst stock tank ever is just silly.

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D-25T gun for Tier X IS-4, LuLz (also read something about the BL-9 which would make more sense at TierX)

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Any leaked stat for the new M62-T2 gun?

ironshrek #14 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 00:50

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I just have one question - If I have elited KV3 will I have KV4 unlocked? Or will I have IS unlocked and will have to grind exp. for KV4? I believe that IS will be unlocked but KV4 not, but I just want to make sure.

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The new GUN :)

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Thanks for the news, you rock Bro!

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View PostMontykoro, on Apr 12 2012 - 01:22, said:


New gun looks to be very promising stats-wise.  :Smile_great:
Trading 50 damage for more pen/rof/aim is not so bad B)

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Is it really that hard of a concept that we don't only have a thread a day asking about it but multiple threads explaining as well?

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View PostJDCollie, on Apr 11 2012 - 23:05, said:

A stock T34 didn't have 198 penetration, it used a 90mm with ~185 penetration, 240 damage, and accuracy that was, like every gun for the T34, actually worse than its Russian couterpart.  And while the IS-4 might have issues penetrating tanks two tier below it, the T34 got penetrated frontally in return by tank FIVE tiers below it even when it was elite.

I recognize that, like any stock tier 9, the IS-4 is no picnic, but calling it the worst stock tank ever is just silly.

The T34 could mount its 105mm gun right away though. For the IS-4, tentatively, there is no intermediate between the D-25 and its final gun.

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...So the KV-1 ISN'T getting the 85 mm gun F-30?




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