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Tupinambis #21 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 05:21

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View Postbalmung60, on Apr 12 2012 - 04:47, said:

...So the KV-1 ISN'T getting the 85 mm gun F-30?

Doesn't seem like it. A gun like that would really leave the T1 heavy completely obsolete though, since the few advantages the T1 had over the KV would be eliminated. As it is, the 57mm ZiS-4 is already better than the T1's 76mm M1A1. I'd say that the T1 should get the M1A2, but that would just become a KV-murder machine. At the very least the M1A1 needs an accuracy buff.


....Actually the T1 may not need anything at all. It gets the same MM that tier 5 meds get; it never gets into tier 9 matches. The 57mm ZiS-4 on the KV is just hilarious mega-fail in tier 9 matches, even more than the BDR's 90mm gun.

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View PostMontykoro, on Apr 12 2012 - 01:22, said:

oh yeah, i like those stats

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View PostTupinambis, on Apr 12 2012 - 03:38, said:

The T34 could mount its 105mm gun right away though. For the IS-4, tentatively, there is no intermediate between the D-25 and its final gun.

BL-9  :rolleyes:

Comparing IS-4 stock with T34 stock is no brainer, anyone who truly play both tank will vote T34 as the worst stock bar none in this game.

IS-4 have better armor, gun, everything compare to IS.

T34 only have better HP compare to T29, everything else is the same.

partigirl #24 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 07:20

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I foresee lots of QQ and rage if that gun with those stats goes to the IS4 on live server. Maus like armor+t110 pen way too OP.

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View Postpartigirl, on Apr 12 2012 - 07:20, said:

I foresee lots of QQ and rage if that gun with those stats goes to the IS4 on live server. Maus like armor+t110 pen way too OP.
Don't worry the IS-4 wil probably have just good al around armour and the lower hull as the frontal weakspot while the driver's hatch will be a little harder to penentrate

View PostMontykoro, on Apr 12 2012 - 01:22, said:


HELL YEAH gime gime gime
We will soon forget the S70 :Smile-playing:

btw thanks for the stats :Smile_honoring:  Where did you get it?Found it thanks again

DerWeasel7 #26 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 09:22

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View PostTupinambis, on Apr 12 2012 - 05:21, said:

Doesn't seem like it. A gun like that would really leave the T1 heavy completely obsolete though, since the few advantages the T1 had over the KV would be eliminated. As it is, the 57mm ZiS-4 is already better than the T1's 76mm M1A1. I'd say that the T1 should get the M1A2, but that would just become a KV-murder machine. At the very least the M1A1 needs an accuracy buff.

All I have to say to this is Bull..Crap!  The ZiS-4 is only better than the M1A1 in RoF & accuracy, that's it!  It falls short in Avg. Penetration & Avg. Damage compared to the M1A1.  To give the KV-1 this gun as top gun, would be an insult to all KV-1 owners.  Besides, if you watch the teaser trailer for 7.3, you will see a larger caliber gun mounted on the tank, plus it doesn't have the triangular mantlet of the ZiS-4.  The only thing I read in there is that the ZiS-4 will take the place of the S-54 76mm gun.

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Thanks for the info. But I have a question about the KV split. If you have the KV2 turret, you will get the KV1 and KV2 and garage slot, but it says that the KV2 will be a T6 tank? The tech tree shows it’s a T5 tank.

Also, if you have all three tanks in your garage, you will basically have all three, plus three new ones and if researched previously, access to two others, the KV4 and IS7. Am I right?

Thanks

lord_pillowpants #28 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 11:20

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View Postbalmung60, on Apr 12 2012 - 04:47, said:

...So the KV-1 ISN'T getting the 85 mm gun F-30?
hate to compare the two but the US T1 heavy doesn't get anything impressive except a M1A1...great gun...on a medium or my T40. :)


But hey, I am unconcerned. I like the idea I now have my bone-stock IS-4 sitting in my garage...and it will sit there until it magically becomes a tier 10 tank with that sexy M62-T2. :)


man this damn game REALLY IS like pokemon....gotta catch 'em all. :P

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View Postlord_pillowpants, on Apr 12 2012 - 11:20, said:

hate to compare the two but the US T1 heavy doesn't get anything impressive except a M1A1...great gun...on a medium or my T40. :)


But hey, I am unconcerned. I like the idea I now have my bone-stock IS-4 sitting in my garage...and it will sit there until it magically becomes a tier 10 tank with that sexy M62-T2. :)


man this damn game REALLY IS like pokemon....gotta catch 'em all. :P

You aren't getting the M62-T2 unless you have the S-70 unlocked. In fact you won't have anything new(other than the IS-8) with a stock IS-4. You'll only have what you have now. If you want the guns/engines/turrets/etc to be unlocked you need to grind out some exp first and unlock the equivalents in the current IS-4, otherwise your IS-8 will be fresh as the day it was born, and we all know how great stock tanks are right? :P


Had my IS-4 elite for quite sometime now. Really looking forward to the new gun. Apparently the IS-4 has a gun selection at tier 10, similar to the E-100, but the changes clearly say:

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If the 130 mm gun "S-70"  was researched for the IS-4, the 122 mm gun "M62-T2" will be researched for the IS-8 and tier 10 IS-4

So......better get grinding! Don't worry. It says any leftover exp on the IS-4 when the switch happens will be transferred to the IS-8, so you can continue the grind right where you left off if you don't finish, but at least you'll of grinded it out in an OP IS-4 rather than the possibly underpowered/crappy IS-8(minus the new 122 of course)

UberTank01 #30 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 12:40

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Good lord, now the T110E5 doesn't have the highest Armor Pen anymore, since the IS-4 when the 7.3 patch comes out it'll be the most AP for its buck.

SilverforceX #31 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 13:23

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Great, another gun that has no trouble pwning the crap out of the E-100 and Maus turrets even if they angle.

German steel, all weight no protection, utterly lame.

It's a good thing I have an elite IS4 waiting to receive an IMBA IS-8 and even more IMBA IS4 with a new god gun.

bashotokoro #32 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 13:37

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so in 7.3, IS-7 is the only one get to mount S-70?

why remove S-70 from IS-4 and replace it with this new gun. is there any reason to this?

Mancu #33 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 13:47

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View Postbashotokoro, on Apr 12 2012 - 13:37, said:

so in 7.3, IS-7 is the only one get to mount S-70?

why remove S-70 from IS-4 and replace it with this new gun. is there any reason to this?

Yes, so the tanks play differently and fill different roles.

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View Postbashotokoro, on Apr 12 2012 - 13:37, said:

so in 7.3, IS-7 is the only one get to mount S-70?

why remove S-70 from IS-4 and replace it with this new gun. is there any reason to this?

The reason is it would be utterly idiotic to have 2 different tier 10 tanks with the same armament.

GotTank #35 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 14:02

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There is a HUGE cry-fest already brewing.

First of all we don't know where the pic came from, do we?

Mancu #36 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 14:04

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Yes we do. It was posted by one of the developers. These stats, however, are not final simply preliminary. But if they keep those stats for the new gun I will be really happy.

Luffwaffle #37 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 14:34

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So, I assume if I were to have an IS-4 researched by 7.3, then after the patch I would have the IS-8 and the new tier 10 IS-4 researched.

Skraeling #38 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 15:54

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im more concerned about its final hp and armor stats than what weapon its using.

balmung60 #39 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 16:16

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About the F-30 and "obsoleting" the T1. Do remember that the F-30 is lacking in penetration.

Also, they could fix at least one of the T1's issues by adding the 76 mm gun M1 (the longer predecessor to the M1A1), which would probably give it about 140 mm of penetration, and even with the M1A1, it has better pen and about 50% better RoF, meaning that it can already out-DPM the F-30 by about 300 DPM.

holonite #40 Posted Apr 12 2012 - 16:30

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well the new gun seems to have higher pen and better accuracy




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