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Greneral_Maow #161 Posted Apr 25 2012 - 18:18

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View PostBucktard, on Apr 15 2012 - 12:19, said:

Neither of the US heavies stand up to the IS 7.
wrong, T110 has advantage in gun, accuracy and maneuver. IS-7 has the advantage in armor. One is not absolutely 'better' than the other.

View PostShield_Aegis, on Apr 24 2012 - 14:39, said:

WRONG - IS-4 M62-T2 has more accuracy than M58 has, while M62-T2 will have laser precise shot @ 200-500 meters M58 will miss allot of shots even at 200 meters also - While M62-T2 has 260 avg pen M58 has only 248 - same as IS-7 S70.
Thats great except I was talking about the S-70 on the IS-7 not the IS-4. S-70 is a worse gun than the M58 the T110 gets. As I said before T110 has advantage in gun, accuracy and maneuver. IS-7 has the advantage in armor.
One is not absolutely 'better' than the other.

View Postguywitn0life, on Apr 25 2012 - 07:07, said:

Oh horror of horrors, the IS-4 is worse then a tank a tier above it!

Well you won't have to worry much about it, because the tier 10 IS-4 is pretty nice, and has the gun we asked for on the T110. So, congrats.
I was still talking about the IS-7, not saying it is worse, saying the IS-7 and T110 have different strengths.
Do people not bother reading before they reply to something?

View PostShield_Aegis, on Apr 25 2012 - 09:41, said:

Get T110 then talk WRONG WRONG WRONG, the only thing that is wrong is that you are posting about a tank you know nothing about, i personally have MAUS/IS-7/T30/T110 and i can judge which one is bouncatron (IS-7) and which has a bullet magnet.. Fire M58 and S70 at 300 meters and see who will hit more percise, dont crap your pants when S70 will do it better. I've tested them both, now its your turn to do it.

You're right I dont have one but I have played against them a fair amount.

There's no denying T110 is faster and maneuvers better than the IS-7. I think the T110s gun is better than the S-70 but you could make the argument favoring alpha. Armor absolutely goes to IS-7.
However, armor is of limited usefulness in clan wars with gold ammo and the T110 gun will punch through IS-7 armor with ease.
If you think T110s can't beat IS-7 perhaps you should examine your tactics.

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the only thing I have been able to do is track them....or if I am shooting at their side..but from the front oh yeah sure bounce after bounce...
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Can't imagine a Tier 9 taking out a Tier 10 without at least a bit of a challenge...

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Its funny actually...The IS4 was pretty much impervious to anything but the IS7 till the E 75 came along and now people just rip them to shreads. Fitting that they should be on the shitty end of the stick, even if it IS just for a little while. They can see how the other half lived for awhile.

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View PostBucktard, on Apr 27 2012 - 01:38, said:

Its funny actually...The IS4 was pretty much impervious to anything but the IS7 till the E 75 came along and now people just rip them to shreads. Fitting that they should be on the shitty end of the stick, even if it IS just for a little while. They can see how the other half lived for awhile.
Yep fully agree. Nice not being such a crunchy snack for IS7s.
Wish people would stop crying though. It's a power creep that will get nerfed by the next update, or the next tank line (commonwealth/Brits ?)

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It was kinda nice going from avoiding direct contact w the IS4 till I got the E 75 and then went looking FOR them. Nice to be on the other side of the wack a mole stick.

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View Postkiem, on Apr 15 2012 - 12:42, said:

I am in no position to say this but you sir are retarded if you let a 100 health tank of the same tier kill you from 1100hp. I was gonna make a comment about switching over to H.E. but apparently it was to hard for you to aim at the lower hull of the M103 why should you be expected to switch over to a different type of ammo.

I have thousands of battle of experience.  My thought was that with only 127mm of armor, that it would take a virtual act of god to bounce the S-70 shell ANYWHERE on the hull.  When the first one bounced I said to myself "damn..bad luck that.".  The second bounce I was like, "WTF!!!! 127mm of armor BOUNCED AGAIN....lets try to turret."  Thrid shot the the turret (because I didn't have a good lower hull shot) and yet another bounce so was thinking, "ARE YOUR FUCKING KIDDING ME, THIS TANK HAS 110 HPS SO WHY THE FUCK ISN'T HE DEAD!!!!"  In the mean time while everything I shot against him bounced, he penned every time.  3 hits at 400 damge = 1200 damage.  My tank only had 1100 HPs.  

As to why I didn't swtich to HE....do I have to ask if YOU would have switch to HE with a gun that has 260mm of penetration when your target is suppose to have only 127mm of armor protecting it....that sir would have been retarded.

Furthermore, I have now had the chance to play the M103 for about 70 matches on test and now understand it better.  The damn tank bounces stuff like crazy but it is entirely random.  Sometime you get lucky and nothing will go though, other times everything.  The design of the hull is for lack of better word, strange which makes the hull very unpredictable.  After those 70 battles on test, I eventually learned the tick the hull when playing the M103 and now I fully understand why I had so much trouble with that M103 that day.  I had that much touble because the player I faced also knew those little tricks and tweeks to your angles that make the M103s hull damn near impentratable and took advantage of the confidence that he knew I had in the fact my gun should have shredded him without even a though.

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View PostBucktard, on Apr 27 2012 - 01:38, said:

Its funny actually...The IS4 was pretty much impervious to anything but the IS7 till the E 75 came along and now people just rip them to shreads. Fitting that they should be on the shitty end of the stick, even if it IS just for a little while. They can see how the other half lived for awhile.

yep. came totally at the wrong time with the op e-series and american heavies.

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Cannot work out what your problem is. Both the new US heavies have turret cupola's which I can penetrate in my ARL44 (with the 105mm gun, not the DCA45), I can also pen the front of an M103 I just have to shoot carefully when I go for the front plate. Being a Tier 6 heavy I make no illusion to fighting Tier 9's solo, I can't so I don't. But when I'm supporting our top tiers I make sure I know where to shoot.

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View PostMow_Mow, on Apr 15 2012 - 04:48, said:

You turn the M103 turret and the resulting surface is weaker than the ass of the IS-4.

You could say the same thing about a lot of tanks, this weakness is not particular to the M103 so why mention it at all? The problem is that when fighting the T110 in tier 9/10 heavies like the IS-4, IS-7, E-75, or E-100, you have to aim at areas which are relatively tiny when compared to your entire lower front armor plate or drivers view port which is practically a guaranteed penetration even at long range, and you're not even turning your turret yet! Despite this, I still enjoy playing my IS-4 and IS-7 immensely, E-75 and E-100... not as much <_<

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View PostIgorDraskovic, on Apr 14 2012 - 17:15, said:

I am getting plastered by these things.  In front on combat I have difficulty penetrating m103 and t110e armor while my drivers port guarantees they will pen me even at long range.  Even the e75 has the advantage over me except in urban maps or extremely close range.  I only find myself performing well in urban maps these days and find that I enjoy playing this machine less and less.  I am thinking of selling this thing when 7.3 comes out.  It's a shame since it used to be my favorite tank and I have over 200 games on it.  What do you guys think?

Hmm and American drivers are complaining about the armor on their tanks and the tough armor on IS-4.....ironic....

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View PostSchrollski, on Apr 28 2012 - 10:35, said:

You could say the same thing about a lot of tanks, this weakness is not particular to the M103 so why mention it at all? The problem is that when fighting the T110 in tier 9/10 heavies like the IS-4, IS-7, E-75, or E-100, you have to aim at areas which are relatively tiny when compared to your entire lower front armor plate or drivers view port which is practically a guaranteed penetration even at the long range, and you're not even turning your turret yet! Despite this, I still enjoy playing my IS-4 and IS-7 immensely, E-75 and E-100... not as much <_<

What? Relatively tiny?

Let's see.

The entire massive lower glacis
The turret cheeks
The gun carriage
The copula
The "pockets" to the left and right of the glacis (Also guarantee ammo racking)
The entire sides of the tank are less then 60mm thick
The rear is 30mm thick

The ONLY reliable armor on the T110 is it's upper glacis, and even then you can do hull damage by hitting the huge driver's periscopes, and the turret ring can be penetrated by an MS-1..

The entire T110, minus the upper glacis, is a rolling weak spot...

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View Posttherowman, on Apr 15 2012 - 12:19, said:

Is-7 front is only strong if he is pointing directly at you. Catch a Is-7's with any kind of angle and it is a instant pen on the upper plates. If he is pointing straight at you, 9/10 times a tier X gun will pen its lower plate.

This isn't an uncommon sight when fighting Tier X tanks in a is-7.


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View Postguywitn0life, on Apr 29 2012 - 06:19, said:

What? Relatively tiny?

Let's see.

The entire massive lower glacis
The turret cheeks
The gun carriage
The copula
The "pockets" to the left and right of the glacis (Also guarantee ammo racking)
The entire sides of the tank are less then 60mm thick
The rear is 30mm thick

The ONLY reliable armor on the T110 is it's upper glacis, and even then you can do hull damage by hitting the huge driver's periscopes, and the turret ring can be penetrated by an MS-1..

The entire T110, minus the upper glacis, is a rolling weak spot...

Bullsh*t <_<

FYI never ever count thin side or rear armor as a weakness in any one tank because these are common weaknesses in practically every tank ever designed.

guywitn0life #175 Posted Apr 29 2012 - 17:28

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The lower glacis is also historically a weakness on most tanks, and yet that's the very part you're complaining about in your above post.

Funny thing is, on an IS-7, it still takes a 220+ pen gun to get thru the lower glacis. 170+ pen guns can get thru the lower glacis on the T110, and it's a much bigger target..

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View PostArmoredCorps, on Apr 15 2012 - 19:50, said:

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M103's don't get such luxuries as side and rear armor,
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True that. :Smile_sceptic:  Tack up a piece of cardboard and you double the rear armor thickness.  Spoken from an M103 driver.

Edited by djb_95, May 24 2012 - 20:10.





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