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SunFlash #21 Posted Apr 14 2012 - 18:01

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i had trouble as well, until me and a buddy went into a training room and shot each other up.  if you are hull to hull, on his upper glascis, there is a headlight on each side.  an is-4 with a bl-9 or s-70 will pen there every time.  ;) good luck to you in battle

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IgorDraskovic, on Apr 14 2012 - 17:15, said:

I am getting plastered by these things.  In front on combat I have difficulty penetrating m103 and t110e armor while my drivers port guarantees they will pen me even at long range.  Even the e75 has the advantage over me except in urban maps or extremely close range.  I only find myself performing well in urban maps these days and find that I enjoy playing this machine less and less.  I am thinking of selling this thing when 7.3 comes out.  It's a shame since it used to be my favorite tank and I have over 200 games on it.  What do you guys think?

Really? because my M103 with the T11 gun still has problems penetrating you I dunno why your whining the other IS-4's looks like they know what there doing.

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First time I ever heard someone complain about American heavies... :Smile_harp: :Smile-hiding:

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IgorDraskovic, on Apr 14 2012 - 17:15, said:

I am getting plastered by these things.  In front on combat I have difficulty penetrating m103 and t110e armor while my drivers port guarantees they will pen me even at long range.  Even the e75 has the advantage over me except in urban maps or extremely close range.  I only find myself performing well in urban maps these days and find that I enjoy playing this machine less and less.  I am thinking of selling this thing when 7.3 comes out.  It's a shame since it used to be my favorite tank and I have over 200 games on it.  What do you guys think?

Yeap i think some soviet tree players cannot adjust the fact that their tank is not OP but equal to same tier or higher tiers nowadays.

I just liked the word even before E75  :rolleyes: and I also liked his surprise that he cannot pen so easily t110 (one tier higher tank) and minded a Tier9 and Tier10 tanks still need to aim rather smaller part, driver port, instead of him targeting a huge tumor in T10, and entire hull in T9  :Smile_great:

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IgorDraskovic, on Apr 14 2012 - 17:15, said:

I am getting plastered by these things.  In front on combat I have difficulty penetrating m103 and t110e armor while my drivers port guarantees they will pen me even at long range.  Even the e75 has the advantage over me except in urban maps or extremely close range.  I only find myself performing well in urban maps these days and find that I enjoy playing this machine less and less.  I am thinking of selling this thing when 7.3 comes out.  It's a shame since it used to be my favorite tank and I have over 200 games on it.  What do you guys think?

You mean the IS-4 isn't the best tier 9 heavy anymore?

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ForcestormX, on Apr 14 2012 - 17:35, said:

And JTs  :facepalmic:

Maybe you should compare the DPM of the two guns, and rethink your statement.


I.e 2200 < 2940
     .38 < .33
     2.9 < 2.2
    Heat < APCR


GENPATT0N, on Apr 14 2012 - 18:07, said:

Really? because my M103 with the T11 gun still has problems penetrating you I dunno why your whining the other IS-4's looks like they know what there doing.

Pretty sure thats you not knowing what your doing.

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The is-4 seems weaker than the is-3, i get penned frontally like there no tomorrow, and you cant really angle the is-4 without adding another weakspot.
The drivers window is a literal painted target.

Midnitewolf #28 Posted Apr 14 2012 - 20:05

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Actually I have to agree here a bit.  When I am playing my IS-4, I don't have trouble with any other tank, be it Maus, E-75, IS-7, etc.  However, I keep getting killed over and over and over by fricken M103s and M110E5s.  I am actually starting to avoid them on the battlefield.  I actually had a M103 with 113 Hps kill my IS-4 at over 1100 Hps because the 3 shots I fired out of my S-70 bounced from his 127mm front plate and front turret.  Honestly, no I didn't look for a weakpoint to shoot it because HE ONLY HAS 127mm OF ARMOR!!!! THE WHOLE THING SHOULD BE A WEAKPOINT TO THE S-70.

On the other hand, straight on, angled, high, low, whatever, neither the M103 or the M110E5 has ANY ISSUE penatrating my front plate and I am not talking my drivers hatch....no I am taking the front slope to either side of the hatch where no weakspot is supposed to exist.

Now I am not going to claim that either tank is OPed in general but maybe the gun is a tiny bit.  Almost every other tank I face has 9mm less penetration on the gun.  Now 9mm of pen doesn't seem like a whole lot but look at it like this.  Maybe the IS-4 front plate can deflect 260mm of pen say 80% of the time, but once it hits 269mm.....the armor fails every time. This is what I am thinking is going on.  The 269mm of pen on the American guns, just manages the reach the failure point of the IS-4s armor and because of that, the IS-4 becomes no better than a KV with 1800+ HPs when facing that gun.

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therowman, on Apr 14 2012 - 19:29, said:

Maybe you should compare the DPM of the two guns, and rethink your statement.


I.e 2200 < 2940
     .38 < .33
     2.9 < 2.2
    Heat < APCR




Pretty sure thats you not knowing what your doing.

The penetration is the main issue i have with it. The 128 shell is heavier and high velocity. How does a 122mm shell have 400 gold ammo penetration?! This means you can pen the front of a T95 without blinking with gold rounds.

JT--276/352

(new IS4 cannon) IS4-- 270/400

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Midnitewolf, on Apr 14 2012 - 20:05, said:

Actually I have to agree here a bit.  When I am playing my IS-4, I don't have trouble with any other tank, be it Maus, E-75, IS-7, etc.  However, I keep getting killed over and over and over by fricken M103s and M110E5s.  I am actually starting to avoid them on the battlefield.  I actually had a M103 with 113 Hps kill my IS-4 at over 1100 Hps because the 3 shots I fired out of my S-70 bounced from his 127mm front plate and front turret.  Honestly, no I didn't look for a weakpoint to shoot it because HE ONLY HAS 127mm OF ARMOR!!!! THE WHOLE THING SHOULD BE A WEAKPOINT TO THE S-70.

On the other hand, straight on, angled, high, low, whatever, neither the M103 or the M110E5 has ANY ISSUE penatrating my front plate and I am not talking my drivers hatch....no I am taking the front slope to either side of the hatch where no weakspot is supposed to exist.

Now I am not going to claim that either tank is OPed in general but maybe the gun is a tiny bit.  Almost every other tank I face has 9mm less penetration on the gun.  Now 9mm of pen doesn't seem like a whole lot but look at it like this.  Maybe the IS-4 front plate can deflect 260mm of pen say 80% of the time, but once it hits 269mm.....the armor fails every time. This is what I am thinking is going on.  The 269mm of pen on the American guns, just manages the reach the failure point of the IS-4s armor and because of that, the IS-4 becomes no better than a KV with 1800+ HPs when facing that gun.

Well, your ignorance failed you. Your first mistake is assuming it is 127mm FLAT without any sort of EFFECTIVE armour. Sorry, look at the hull especially the front. It is extremely sloped but still not impenetrable. Only part you may have difficulty is the beak/nose where it is the thickest which amounts to 204mm thick at 45 degrees. But shoot anywhere above and especially below the nose and you will penetrate. Shoot the nose especially at an angle and you will bounce.

As for the gun, sorry but 9mm does not make a huge difference when other IS-4s punch through my IS-4's front just as easily and I do the same to them. And how is it any different if it is an IS-4 vs the M103 or even the T110? The lower glacis on the T110 has a max of 180mm EFFECTIVE armour and it is far larger then the lower glacis on the IS-4.

Honestly, it is your underestimating of the M103 which got you killed. You assume all it has is 127mm but they are sloped heavily. It is when being underestimated is when the US heavies will prevail. These tanks are not longer the point and shoot vehicles they once were. Some level of aiming is required. Don't forget, US heavy players have been playing sub par vehicles for more than a year now so if you make a mistake, they will be able to capitalise on it.

Even then, other S70s have no problems going through the nose of the M103. Heck, shooting between the turret and hull and you will penetrate. If you cannot defeat and M103 or even damage one heavily, the IS-4 and M103 are not the ones you should blame. Tell me you could not even flank a near dead M103 and shoot its sides. Sides Tier 4s would have NO problem penetrating.
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View PostMaschinengeist, on Apr 14 2012 - 19:18, said:

You mean the IS-4 isn't the best tier 9 heavy anymore?

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It's okay he can do what the rest of us do: play patiently, stick in groups, aim at weakpoints, use the occasional HE shell and work together.

... Oh wait, he's a Russian tank driver.

You're just boned buddy. Best to uninstall now.


edit: is it me, or are IS-4 drivers like Frieza? Overconfident and then indignant and incredulous that anything could be *gasp* stronger.
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View Posttherowman, on Apr 14 2012 - 19:29, said:

Maybe you should compare the DPM of the two guns, and rethink your statement.


I.e 2200 < 2940
     .38 < .33
     2.9 < 2.2
    Heat < APCR




Pretty sure thats you not knowing what your doing.

And what about everything else?

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View PostForcestormX, on Apr 14 2012 - 17:35, said:

And JTs  :facepalmic:

Like JT's aren't nerfed enough already? Leave them alone they are fine like they are.. In fact maybe a bit of a alpha buff is in order.

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View PostIgorDraskovic, on Apr 14 2012 - 17:15, said:

I am getting plastered by these things.  In front on combat I have difficulty penetrating m103 and t110e armor while my drivers port guarantees they will pen me even at long range.  Even the e75 has the advantage over me except in urban maps or extremely close range.  I only find myself performing well in urban maps these days and find that I enjoy playing this machine less and less.  I am thinking of selling this thing when 7.3 comes out.  It's a shame since it used to be my favorite tank and I have over 200 games on it.  What do you guys think?


I have a Hurt Feelings Report you can fill out and submit....

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View PostIgorDraskovic, on Apr 14 2012 - 17:15, said:

I am getting plastered by these things.  In front on combat I have difficulty penetrating m103 and t110e armor while my drivers port guarantees they will pen me even at long range.  Even the e75 has the advantage over me except in urban maps or extremely close range.  I only find myself performing well in urban maps these days and find that I enjoy playing this machine less and less.  I am thinking of selling this thing when 7.3 comes out.  It's a shame since it used to be my favorite tank and I have over 200 games on it.  What do you guys think?

Do what everyone else has to do against the IS-4... aim.

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Overall Win Rate:  53%   :mellow:

IS-3 Win Rate:  57%  :Smile-playing:

IS-4 Win Rate: 33%   :angry:

I had always heard about how the IS-4 was so boss, picked it up right after 7.2, and the fail is EPIC!  When I'm not getting shot through my driver's blowhole by SU-152s, I'm getting ammo racked insta-gibbed on my shoulders.   Seems the only way I bounce shots with this is when I just point myself sideways.

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And this would be a product of the Russian heavy generation brought up to point and click on American heavies.

Honestly, I still think the IS-4 is the hardest tier 9 to kill up to date. It has a small profile at range, meaning the accuracy of the US guns aren't exactly awesome to score that frontal shot. The ability of the IS-4's tracks to absorb even 155mm rounds without flinching is annoying to say the least.

What you need to do,is maximise the strength of your tank. Don't just expose your weak spots perpendicular to an american tank and think you will roflstomp him. Angle yourself, twist and turn make him re-aim while you reload etc. And finally grasp the concept that you now have to aim at weakspots to kill the top 2 American heavies.

One cannot express the joy of an American heavy driver coming across an overconfident IS-4 though.

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View PostIgorDraskovic, on Apr 14 2012 - 17:15, said:

I am getting plastered by these things.  In front on combat I have difficulty penetrating m103 and t110e armor while my drivers port guarantees they will pen me even at long range.  Even the e75 has the advantage over me except in urban maps or extremely close range.  I only find myself performing well in urban maps these days and find that I enjoy playing this machine less and less.  I am thinking of selling this thing when 7.3 comes out.  It's a shame since it used to be my favorite tank and I have over 200 games on it.  What do you guys think?


Cry me a river.  It was OP before the patch,  now your crying your little eyes out because American tanks can actually penetrate you??   You are the very definition of a BAD.

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anyone remember when T34's and T30's were wrecking machines because of their awesome armor and their OP guns?!?! (Because I don't)
Its finally an american tank that can take a beating, no reason to sob over it, you just have to change how you play against them :Smile_great:

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View PostIgorDraskovic, on Apr 14 2012 - 17:15, said:

I am getting plastered by these things.  In front on combat I have difficulty penetrating m103 and t110e armor while my drivers port guarantees they will pen me even at long range.  Even the e75 has the advantage over me except in urban maps or extremely close range.  I only find myself performing well in urban maps these days and find that I enjoy playing this machine less and less.  I am thinking of selling this thing when 7.3 comes out.  It's a shame since it used to be my favorite tank and I have over 200 games on it.  What do you guys think?

You cant penetrate an M103 or a T110 with an IS-4?
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