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EchelonIII #41 Posted Apr 15 2012 - 03:40

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View PostIgorDraskovic, on Apr 14 2012 - 17:15, said:

I am getting plastered by these things.  In front on combat I have difficulty penetrating m103 and t110e armor while my drivers port guarantees they will pen me even at long range.  Even the e75 has the advantage over me except in urban maps or extremely close range.  I only find myself performing well in urban maps these days and find that I enjoy playing this machine less and less.  I am thinking of selling this thing when 7.3 comes out.  It's a shame since it used to be my favorite tank and I have over 200 games on it.  What do you guys think?

A gun with 260 pen failing to pen a M103 frontally is a result of the phenomenon known as "driver error".

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View Postalexcoppen, on Apr 14 2012 - 17:18, said:

The M103 had ears like the T29 on the turret
Theres a big ol hitbox on the T110: The Cupola

If your defintion of big is barely able to hit at close range on a stationary target I can understand.  BIG is the entire FRONT upper glacis of the is-4.. or the rear 1/3 of the tank.  Those are BIG hitboxes that are easy to strike.  The M103 simply has to turn its turret and its stupid to shoot at the "ears", just like the t-29.  And the cupola.. are you kidding ? unless your ABOVE the t110, the t110 is completely stationary and not turning its turret AND you gun magically shoots level the cupola is insane to shoot at even at close range.  Just because you got hit once in the cupola does not make it a weak spot..    Currently the is-4 is totally under armoured for tier 9.. let alone tier 10.

djuice1701 #43 Posted Apr 15 2012 - 04:00

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Well with my T34 Premium, IS-4 don't seem to be that scary.. the whole front hull and turret checks (just outside of the mantlet (50%)) is penetrable with it's 120mm. Considering there are a lot of T34 running around, and moved to Tier 8 where you might encounter up to 2-3 T34 in a single solo Tier 9 game..

The IS-4 armor in it's current iteration, maybe sub-par frontally. A buff to it's front hull to 160mm (BETA stats) should do fine for a Tier 10.

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View PostPrediator, on Apr 15 2012 - 03:55, said:

If your defintion of big is barely able to hit at close range on a stationary target I can understand.  BIG is the entire FRONT upper glacis of the is-4.. or the rear 1/3 of the tank.  Those are BIG hitboxes that are easy to strike.  The M103 simply has to turn its turret and its stupid to shoot at the "ears", just like the t-29.  And the cupola.. are you kidding ? unless your ABOVE the t110, the t110 is completely stationary and not turning its turret AND you gun magically shoots level the cupola is insane to shoot at even at close range.  Just because you got hit once in the cupola does not make it a weak spot..    Currently the is-4 is totally under armoured for tier 9.. let alone tier 10.

You turn the M103 turret and the resulting surface is weaker than the ass of the IS-4.

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View PostIgorDraskovic, on Apr 14 2012 - 17:15, said:

I am getting plastered by these things.  In front on combat I have difficulty penetrating m103 and t110e armor while my drivers port guarantees they will pen me even at long range.  Even the e75 has the advantage over me except in urban maps or extremely close range.  I only find myself performing well in urban maps these days and find that I enjoy playing this machine less and less.  I am thinking of selling this thing when 7.3 comes out.  It's a shame since it used to be my favorite tank and I have over 200 games on it.  What do you guys think?

How dare you taint the glorious Russian tank comrade.  Thirty lashes in red square for do.

Riceygringo #46 Posted Apr 15 2012 - 05:47

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View PostMow_Mow, on Apr 15 2012 - 04:48, said:

You turn the M103 turret and the resulting surface is weaker than the ass of the IS-4.

Still Stronger than the front of the T30 hull :D

Mow_Mow #47 Posted Apr 15 2012 - 06:07

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View PostRiceygringo, on Apr 15 2012 - 05:47, said:

Still Stronger than the front of the T30 hull :D


M103: 127/51/38, 127/127/51
T30: 102/76/51, 279/127/102

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Ducman69 #48 Posted Apr 15 2012 - 06:37

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View PostNovacube, on Apr 15 2012 - 02:32, said:

Don't just expose your weak spots perpendicular to an american tank and think you will roflstomp him. Angle yourself, twist and turn make him re-aim while you reload etc. And finally grasp the concept that you now have to aim at weakspots to kill the top 2 American heavies.

One cannot express the joy of an American heavy driver coming across an overconfident IS-4 though.
Don't expose your weakspots?  The front of the IS-4 has a large driver's hatch with zero armor now, which means if you can aim for it you won't bounce at any angle, range, or pen roll.   If you angle the front, your shoulders are a large weakspot that many tanks it will see in match can pen, and certainly an American tank would not bounce even on a bad roll, so no you cannot angle yourself as this is even worse and likely to result in an ammo-rack instant death.  

Regarding twisting and turning, this is not an agile 110, the IS-4 is not at all maneuverable. That only leaves you with the option of sniping at range, but the accuracy of the gun is poor and most I see running around have the Bl-9 as it takes a massive amount of XP to unlock the 130mm.   This leaves you with a lot of misses and a lot of bounces, rendering you less combat effective and costing a fortune in ammo, meaning lower win rate with higher costs... not the best strategy.

I can assure you, it has nothing to do with overconfidence, as I have no confidence whatsoever in my IS-4.   It has to do with the fact that the IS-4 is not the tank it used to be, and its up against targets with superior frontal armor, maneuverability, and high pen guns.  

At least have the courtesy to admit when you have a vastly superior tank, I did the same if you search on how many times I dogged the old American heavies as the worst in the game.   With the nerf-rape the AMX 50/120 received as well, they are now the best in the game, and there is no concern over saying this as its not like the Russian developers read the NA forums anyway that it would effect a nerf which I think the big fear is.  

The best advice right now is to just do your doubles on it and wait for the TierX change, when the holes in the frontal armor are likely to be buffed.

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View PostIgorDraskovic, on Apr 14 2012 - 17:15, said:

I am getting plastered by these things.  In front on combat I have difficulty penetrating m103 and t110e armor while my drivers port guarantees they will pen me even at long range.  Even the e75 has the advantage over me except in urban maps or extremely close range.  I only find myself performing well in urban maps these days and find that I enjoy playing this machine less and less.  I am thinking of selling this thing when 7.3 comes out.  It's a shame since it used to be my favorite tank and I have over 200 games on it.  What do you guys think?

*SIGH* first Goon tears and now Russian tears....life could hardly be sweeter  :Smile-playing:

I guess someone flicked the switch from "Easy Mode" to "Just Like Everybody Else Mode"

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I think this is sarcasm in the OP, at least I hope it is.  But if it's honest, L.O.L.  The IS4 has been OP since the launch.  Before the E-75 the tank dominated T9's and below no questions asked, and it gave T10's a run for their money easily.  The E-75 helped even the odds a bit, though the IS4 was still overall superior, and it took a bad IS4 driver to get totally dominated by a good E-75 driver.  After the better IS4 drivers  figured out the E-75's glaring weaknesses, they once again had no problem dispatching them, just had to remain cautious.  

But here we have someone complaining about another T9 with paper armor, the world's largest bed pan for a turret, but a good gun.  So they can lose to the American tankers if they think they're going to storm in guns blazing in the open, unlike before.  And to make things even more humorous, the OP is complaining about a Tier 10 tank killing them.  This is the best indicator yet of how OP the IS4 was as the tankers were used to dominating everything in this game with them, even higher tier tanks.

Don't worry though, your suffering of having to actually play and not just facerolling your KB/M will be addressed when it's bumped to T10 and it gets faster, and not to mention a gun that has no business being on a russian tank due to it's stats like accuracy for one.

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How to kill M103 with IS-4:

Move out of corner angled to m103 at 30 degree.*
Spend 2-3 secs aiming at his lower hull.
Shoot.
Pull back.
Repeat a few times.
Watch M103 being a smocking wreck.

*-don't do it if you will be shot by anything else but m103

Same applies to t110, but you must be careful.

Ducman69 #52 Posted Apr 15 2012 - 11:06

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View Postlinek, on Apr 15 2012 - 10:53, said:

How to kill M103 with IS-4:

Move out of corner angled to m103 at 30 degree.*
Spend 2-3 secs aiming at his lower hull.
Boom, he shot your shoulder and ammo racked you.  Luckily you survived it though, but have slow reload. You shoot and bounce as he was angled just like you and already pulling back.   You pull up again and boom your driver is dead from the now zero armor weakpoint, you sit there trying to aim but he's already pulled back.   You have to pull back too else artillery creams you.    M103 pulls forward and circles as you reload painfully slowly and pens your back sides a few more times while you try to maneuver with a dead driver.

Face facts, the IS-4 is not what it once was, nor are the American heavies.    What happened before 7.2 is irrelevant to what happens now, and its quite funny hearing the "just learn to aim" or "just angle your tank" or "well obviously you just suck as a player (regardless of how well you do in other tanks)" comments.

Honest players would call it for what it is, the worst Tier9 in game at present but perhaps moot since it won't stay that way for long and is liable to change in a matter of weeks.

View PostEchelonIII, on Apr 15 2012 - 03:40, said:

A gun with 260 pen failing to pen a M103 frontally is a result of the phenomenon known as "driver error".
Most of us have 225 pen, as the top gun takes ages to unlock if you're not a wallet warrior, and not all of us resort to throwing money ammunition downrange.

djuice1701 #53 Posted Apr 15 2012 - 11:13

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M103 vs IS-4... in a brawling match...

M103 will come out the winner 70% of the time, especially if both players are average in skill level.

M103 vs IS-4... Sniper match..

Pretty much a draw.. if the IS-4 is hull down.. then it favor the IS-4, as the M103 has a weak turret, the cheeks around the mantlet are huge and soft.

If each tank is against multiple tanks, then the IS-4 clearly has better survivability then the M103, since it's less vulnerable to Tier 7/8 guns. The M103 is better suited to 1vs1 engagement, due to it's very soft side and rear armor.

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The latest IS4 7.3 stats are looking very sexy:

2300HP (from 1790hp)

43kmph top speed (from 35kmph)

Driver viewport now = 200mm (from 0mm)

Side bubbles = 160mm (from 140mm)

Gun alpha damage = 440 (from 490)

Gun penetration = 270 (from 260)

Gun accuracy = 0.38 (from 0.40)

Gun fire rate = 4.69 rpm (from 3.89 rpm)




Yeah its safe to say that the IS-4 is going to do much better in 7.3 of those stats make it live.

djuice1701 #55 Posted Apr 15 2012 - 11:36

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View PostReichsadler, on Apr 15 2012 - 11:18, said:

The latest IS4 7.3 stats are looking very sexy:

2300HP (from 1790hp)

43kmph top speed (from 35kmph)

Driver viewport now = 200mm (from 0mm)

Side bubbles = 160mm (from 140mm)

Gun alpha damage = 440 (from 490)

Gun penetration = 270 (from 260)

Gun accuracy = 0.38 (from 0.40)

Gun fire rate = 4.69 rpm (from 3.89 rpm)




Yeah its safe to say that the IS-4 is going to do much better in 7.3 of those stats make it live.

The problem still is the front hull, the whole upper glacis, which is still 140mm @ 60 degrees,  which is around 233mm effective against AP. Which allows the T34, and all Tier 9+ to penetrate it straight on from the front. It requires the hull to be angled more then 30 degrees to deflect those rounds, but opens up the possibility of them spamming your upper shoulders, since then it will be flat, and your front or rear road wheel.

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Figure 1. How to kill a frontal T110. Shoot at the lower glacis and tumor on turret (Arrows).

Too easy.

therowman #57 Posted Apr 15 2012 - 11:57

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View PostSilverforceX, on Apr 15 2012 - 11:46, said:

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Figure 1. How to kill a frontal T110. Shoot at the lower glacis and tumor on turret (Arrows).

Too easy.

Thats nice. If it is was the size of a maus. And If you are using hitbox skins.

Truth is. It hard to tell where the beak begans and ends. The Bottom weak area is an extremely small target due to the size of the tank. Over lay a Russian Gun reticle fully closed in on that target from 100 meters and most of the Reticle will be on the ground or on the beak.


Its funny, Yall get a Good tank and you People Still want more and more. Just came from the US heavy forum and people where begging for more pen, A Unpennable turret, 40 more damage, and increased top speed and reverse speed.

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I dare you to compare the frontal weakspots of T110 vs Is7.

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View PostSilverforceX, on Apr 15 2012 - 12:13, said:

I dare you to compare the frontal weakspots of T110 vs Is7.

Is-7 front is only strong if he is pointing directly at you. Catch a Is-7's with any kind of angle and it is a instant pen on the upper plates. If he is pointing straight at you, 9/10 times a tier X gun will pen its lower plate.

This isn't an uncommon sight when fighting Tier X tanks in a is-7.


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The 103 is so crummy I sold it. The 110 should eat the IS4. Its a tier higher but perhaps now you know what the t 34 and t30 drivers had to deal with forever. Neither of the US heavies stand up to the IS 7. Turn your side to them, the side of the IS7 and IS4 oddly like to bounce straight on shots like that.




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