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Garnett101st #101 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 00:17

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View PostShivaX, on Apr 16 2012 - 14:12, said:

Says the dude with an E100, JT and E50.

Its not our fault you suck with the tank, its still the best Tier9.

Yep, I'll admit, I'm a major German fanboy, but I'm not biased. IS4 gets smashed everytime an E75 is mentioned, but yet the IS4 is still some how better? LOL!



View PostsRommels, on Apr 16 2012 - 18:01, said:

Dude, ARL44 DCA 45 gun can pen IS-4 from the front. Either aim at the driver port or lower down at that long horizontal joint. Thats a T6 tank LOL! feel free to try it out if you dont believe me.

Oh i believe it, I pen IS4's side armor every match now, i noticed how weak it was when i was fighting them with my 59. Its a shame that IS4, Once the OP beast of the beta has been reduced to a under powered tank...


View PostMow_Mow, on Apr 16 2012 - 19:04, said:

M103 can be penetrated from the front by tier 5 tank Chaffee/T-50-2/SU-85. Boo hoo, my tank can't bounce 200 penetration guns from its weak spot, it has no armor!

True, But M103 isn't as slow as a 4502 or a Maus, not to mention it has does a'lot of DPM, and then all the other things that make IS4 inferior to every tier 9 tank now (Including the 4502B).

SHISHKABOB #102 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 00:43

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how did the IS-4 become worse than the 4502B?

Beerstein #103 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 01:02

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View PostPatton5150, on Apr 16 2012 - 20:06, said:

There is something wrong since the patch.  I took out my IS4 for the first time since 7.2 for the x5 xp.  My first battle, I ammo racked another IS4 from the side.  First time I've ever done that before.  In the same battle, a Patton and a Tiger were both penetrating/damaging me from the front every shot.  I died after about 6 or 7 shots.  Again, each of those shots penetrated and did damage.  No shots bounced or failed to penetrate.
Any tank that can get in a battle with an IS-4 can pen it from the front, even if that tank is an MS-1 some troll dragged in, and that's the real issue IMO.

Okeano #104 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 02:24

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View PostBeerstein, on Apr 17 2012 - 01:02, said:

Any tank that can get in a battle with an IS-4 can pen it from the front, even if that tank is an MS-1 some troll dragged in, and that's the real issue IMO.
If you just sit there and let them fully aim at something as small as the slit, sure, but then you deserve to get penned if you do.

Beerstein #105 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 02:25

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View PostOkeano, on Apr 17 2012 - 02:24, said:

If you just sit there and let them fully aim at something as small as the slit, sure, but then you deserve to get penned if you do.
Germans generally have pretty high accuracy which makes IS-4s especially vulnerable to Germans.

Okeano #106 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 02:29

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View PostBeerstein, on Apr 17 2012 - 02:25, said:

Germans generally have pretty high accuracy which makes IS-4s especially vulnerable to Germans.
If we are talking about the slit, it's not a matter of accuracy. If you keep moving back and forth at an angle, a 0.1 accuracy gun won't be able to hit the slit unless they are face hugging. Most complainers of the IS-4 don't realize that it's got -8 degree gun depression so you can play it like an American tank to hug a hill and only need your armor as backup or in the city.

hailene2092 #107 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 02:33

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View PostBeerstein, on Apr 17 2012 - 01:02, said:

Any tank that can get in a battle with an IS-4 can pen it from the front, even if that tank is an MS-1 some troll dragged in, and that's the real issue IMO.

You can't actually damage the IS-4 through the driver's slit consistently without a 225+ pen gun.

I tested it with my Panzer IV with the 75/70.  You can kill the driver, but it's beyond your ability to reduce the IS-4's health.

Ezz #108 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 02:36

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View Posthailene2092, on Apr 17 2012 - 02:33, said:

You can't actually damage the IS-4 through the driver's slit consistently without a 225+ pen gun.
Which is good to know... apart from the fact that there seem to be a lot more 225+ pen guns running around these days.

Garnett101st #109 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 02:44

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View PostSHISHKABOB, on Apr 17 2012 - 00:43, said:

how did the IS-4 become worse than the 4502B?

Worse HP
Worse Acceleration
Worse turning
Worse aim time
Worse side armor (lol @ 50mm)
Worse front armor (Drivers hatch 0mm, and hull is weaker than 4502B)
Worse view range
Worse accuracy


The only negatives 4502B have are thin side armor, and rear mounted turret.

Mow_Mow #110 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 03:08

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View PostGarnett101st, on Apr 17 2012 - 02:44, said:

Worse HP
Worse Acceleration
Worse turning
Worse aim time
Worse side armor (lol @ 50mm)
Worse front armor (Drivers hatch 0mm, and hull is weaker than 4502B)
Worse view range
Worse accuracy


The only negatives 4502B have are thin side armor, and rear mounted turret.

Worse Camo
Worse Turning
Worse track terrain
Worse module placement
Front mounted engine
Worse gun
Worse rear armor
Worse side armor (LOL 100mm FLAT > 50mm angled)
Worse turret
WE'RE ON FIRE!!!

Did I mention FIRE? :angry:

Ducman69 #111 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 03:10

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View PostSHISHKABOB, on Apr 17 2012 - 00:43, said:

how did the IS-4 become worse than the 4502B?
Since the holes in the IS-4 render it more of a sniper temporarily, the 4502B fulfills that role much better due to its gun, armor, and view range.   As was said though, this is all likely to change soon, and for all we know the driver's hatch was a bug added in prematurely for 7.3 as there is no other tank in the game with a zero armor value on any part of the tank.

Mow_Mow #112 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 03:16

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View PostDucman69, on Apr 17 2012 - 03:10, said:

Since the holes in the IS-4 render it more of a sniper temporarily, the 4502B fulfills that role much better due to its gun, armor, and view range.   As was said though, this is all likely to change soon, and for all we know the driver's hatch was a bug added in prematurely for 7.3 as there is no other tank in the game with a zero armor value on any part of the tank.

To be nitpicky, the tops of open-top tanks are all 0 armor regions ;)

EDIT: The T110 also seems to have one point on its hull where there is only 10mm of armor, as there is an entry for an armor group with only 10mm...

Hull Armor
	<armor>
	  <armor_1>	254	</armor_1>
	  <armor_2>	140	</armor_2>
	  <armor_3>	76	</armor_3>
	  <armor_4>	38	</armor_4>
	  <armor_5>	114	</armor_5>
	  <armor_6>	44	</armor_6>
	  <armor_7>	38	</armor_7>
	  <armor_8>	25	</armor_8>
	  <armor_9>	32	</armor_9>
	  <armor_10>	38	</armor_10>
	  <armor_11>	203	</armor_11>
	  <armor_12>	25	</armor_12>
	  <armor_13>	10	</armor_13>
	  <armor_14>	76	</armor_14>
	  <armor_16>	70	</armor_16>
	  <surveyingDevice>	40	</surveyingDevice>
	</armor>


Drseckzytime #113 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 03:20

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View PostSHISHKABOB, on Apr 17 2012 - 00:43, said:

how did the IS-4 become worse than the 4502B?

It didn't.  It's just hyperbole on their part.  The tank is still the best T9 heavy in game.  It's just that they've been knocked down even closer to the E-75, and the murican's new armor sports a sweet gun.  They're panicking simply because they can't faceroll to win anymore.

Beerstein #114 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 03:37

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View PostDrseckzytime, on Apr 17 2012 - 03:20, said:

It didn't.  It's just hyperbole on their part.  The tank is still the best T9 heavy in game.  It's just that they've been knocked down even closer to the E-75, and the murican's new armor sports a sweet gun.  They're panicking simply because they can't faceroll to win anymore.
If that were the case I wouldn't beat IS-4s in my IS-3 so much.

Mow_Mow #115 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 03:42

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IS-4 should either have had the nerfed side armor, or the nerfed driver's slit. But both is overdoing it, I think.

EDIT: One of the things that makes the VK4502 Ausf.B a poor tier 9 tank is that now you are stuck with a 200mm penetration gun on a very slow chassis until you get the KT's gun. 200mm penetration does NOT cut it at tier 9. IS-4 at least has the BL-9, and E-75 has the KT's gun. M103 and VK4502 Ausf. B are both stuck with ~200mm penetration guns, although M103's first gun is a huge upgrade. VK4502 only gets to the level of the E-75 and IS-4 in their "stock" status.

SHISHKABOB #116 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 03:46

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View PostDrseckzytime, on Apr 17 2012 - 03:20, said:

It didn't.  It's just hyperbole on their part.  The tank is still the best T9 heavy in game.  It's just that they've been knocked down even closer to the E-75, and the murican's new armor sports a sweet gun.  They're panicking simply because they can't faceroll to win anymore.

I can't help but agree. It's fascinating how things go from "OMG IS-4 SO OP RUSSIAN BIAS" to "OMG IS-4 SUX MS-1 KILLS IT"

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View PostMow_Mow, on Apr 16 2012 - 19:04, said:

M103 can be penetrated from the front by tier 5 tank Chaffee/T-50-2/SU-85. Boo hoo, my tank can't bounce 200 penetration guns from its weak spot, it has no armor!

I agree crying about a weak spot on a tank that has been ''over all'' a great tank in the past and will be in the future..... Please, man up we all have to find ways around faults in tanks we all drive

KurganSPK #118 Posted Apr 17 2012 - 04:34

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View Posthailene2092, on Apr 16 2012 - 00:31, said:

The frontal armor is decent.  If you can keep the sweet distance of close enough to hurt the enemy yet far away enough they have problems hitting your driver's slit you're golden.  If you can keep your driver slit hidden by a hill or some debris that works, too.

The side armor is absolutely bad ass as well.

The OP has played 13 games in his IS-4.  That's not enough time to get all the modules.  He's complaining about a stock tank.

Though looking at the rest of his stats (particularly his E-75) I can't help but think it's less the tank and more the driver.


Not true - my first battle in mine I was fully upgraded  :Smile-hiding:

I've also got similar concerns about this tank and don't plan on driving it much until the patch -- in it's current stat I think u have to really be a master of it to do well and I don't want to be a liability to the team  :blink:

Would hav liked to have been able to use it before the silly hatch armor gaff/nerd/whatever... And see what that was like. I used to fear this tank more than all others and now I go after them in my Lowe...

Kudos to those that still do well in it  :Smile_honoring:

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View PostMow_Mow, on Apr 16 2012 - 19:04, said:

M103 can be penetrated from the front by tier 5 tank Chaffee/T-50-2/SU-85. Boo hoo, my tank can't bounce 200 penetration guns from its weak spot, it has no armor!

Wait...I thought that M4A3E2 Jumbo which penetrated me from the front once was using Gold ammo but if a Chaffee can penetrate the M103 from the front, that means the Jumbo was not using Gold ammo?

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View PostSHISHKABOB, on Apr 17 2012 - 03:46, said:

I can't help but agree. It's fascinating how things go from "OMG IS-4 SO OP RUSSIAN BIAS" to "OMG IS-4 SUX MS-1 KILLS IT"

Let me take your E-75 and nerf the frontal armor to 50mm. Better not complain! It was good before the nerf, no way it turns to rubbish after one patch!

The IS-4 has not been overpowered since the E75 was introduced. They've both been on equal footing until now. The E75 had that bounce-everything frontal armor and superior maneuverability, while the IS4 lacked a major weakspot for lower tier tanks to manipulate. Suddenly, wargaming introduces more lower tier tanks with stupidly high penetration values and adds a barrel of weakspots to the IS-4. There is just no reason for that. It wasn't that the IS-4 was OP, it was that the T34 (Now M103) and VK needed to be brought up to the E75 and IS4's level.

The IS4 lived off being as solid as a rock, but now the sides can be penned by T7 meds and T6 heavies.