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[AsianThunder]

SunFlash, on Apr 18 2012 - 18:59, said:

look at the title, new contender to the t110.  this implies that he is basing it off the best tier 10, which he then implies is the t110.  put your -1 somewhere else

That's dumb, he's comparing them because T110 has RoF and pen, with maneuverability, such as this new IS-4 will supposedly have.  It's like comparing a new tier 10 tank with tons of armour with the Maus.  Is the Maus the best tank out there? Arguably, but the comparison is because of the traits of the tank.  You deserved to be -1.

[romancingThePwn]

Regarding "getting people to play the IS7, once the IS4 is t10"; Unlike the E-100 v Maus comparison, you are going to see a ton of both, as instantly thousands of teir 10 tanks will be created out of thin air.  At 6.5M credits a peice, that would normally take people some serious credit grind... it's all been skipped here, though.

They didn't magically give out the E-100 if you had an AusB did they?

[Rincer]

romancingThePwn, on Apr 18 2012 - 21:15, said:

Regarding "getting people to play the IS7, once the IS4 is t10"; Unlike the E-100 v Maus comparison, you are going to see a ton of both, as instantly thousands of teir 10 tanks will be created out of thin air.  At 6.5M credits a peice, that would normally take people some serious credit grind... it's all been skipped here, though.

They didn't magically give out the E-100 if you had an AusB did they?

Actually I am concerned about it being the other way around, the new IS-4 looks inferior to the IS-7 if they keep the drivers hatch.

[MalikCarr]

SilverforceX, on Apr 18 2012 - 16:08, said:

Currently 0.

We're talking bout IS-4 as tier 10, no?

Damn you russian players are sensitive, pointing out the changes to the IS4 gets me a -1?? You can't handle the truth?!

Okay, I have a question.

Why change it in the first place if that's not a deliberate "feature"?

Why even have the driver's slot in the game model if giving it a weak point right on the tank's face isn't the entire purpose of having it?

I fail to see any logic why they'd give it an armor value of zero and then somehow pave it over, without actually changing the game model at all, if it wasn't a "desired quality". Explain that one.

[Drive_Me_Closer]

MalikCarr, on Apr 18 2012 - 22:54, said:

Okay, I have a question.

Why change it in the first place if that's not a deliberate "feature"?

Why even have the driver's slot in the game model if giving it a weak point right on the tank's face isn't the entire purpose of having it?

I fail to see any logic why they'd give it an armor value of zero and then somehow pave it over, without actually changing the game model at all, if it wasn't a "desired quality". Explain that one.

The IS7 currently has the best frontal armor of all the T10 tanks due to sloped armor, and a better gun then the Maus.  It is worse on the sides, but still manages to be bouncy.  When the IS4 becomes a T10 it will have a better gun then the T110 and better overall armor, and apparently speed very close as well.

The real question is why would you take a T110 over the new IS4?  In pubs the IS4 will have a large advantage over the T110 in that it won't have sides made of paper.

[MalikCarr]

This is also a fair question, and again highlights the perplexing nature of why the IS-4 should be continually "hyperbuffed" into a Tier 10 tank in the first place.

[Atayu]

I already have fun killing t110's with my IS-4. It is not to hard there are 1 or more easy 2 hit & pen spots on each side of the t110.

[Dempsey_USMC]

as an american focused tanker i can see both sides of the arguement because ive played them both

at the moment even with the drivers hatch the IS4 can still be remarkably bouncy and asking to take away the drivers hatch is a little farfetched that would be like us american tankers asking to have mount copula removed

i mean they could just simply just buff the hatch enough so that it could bounce most of the time, right? i mean now with my t110 i can tear through it at 200m sometimes even 300, so buffing it enough so that other players would have to get closer to take advantage of the weaker spot would have to get into the IS4s ground would make better overall play style sense dont get rid of it just make it somewhat fragile so play into it.

i mean am i happy that the 110 has and amazing front hull? sure but it has its weak spots like any tank and i use them to bait people i dont cry about them, so leave the drivers hatch but buff it enough to stand, and if you still want it gone then i want mount copula gone and i want every under glacius thats weaker then its upper to be as strong as its upper E100-maus-t110-E-75- KT ect

[the_moidart]

I just can't imagine the IS-4 as mobile. It's easily one of the least maneuverable of the tier 9 heavies, right down there with the Ausf B. I doubt the tier 10 buffs will suddenly reverse this.

[SilverforceX]

On the IS-4, good players already do this to hide the weak lower plate and driver port. But it puts the "shoulders" at risk of guns greater than 260 penetration.



IS-4 at tier 10 will get 160mm shoulder armor, from 140mm. Thats a huge buff, with the angle its akin to +40mm effective armor. This puts it beyond most non-gold AP shells.

[Teleos_Rix]

SilverforceX, on Apr 19 2012 - 06:13, said:

On the IS-4, good players already do this to hide the weak lower plate and driver port. But it puts the "shoulders" at risk of guns greater than 260 penetration.



IS-4 at tier 10 will get 160mm shoulder armor, from 140mm. Thats a huge buff, with the angle its akin to +40mm effective armor. This puts it beyond most non-gold AP shells.

I do something similar, but for me it feels more effective than hiding your nose behind something and still slightly exposing a shoulder ammo rack.



Does anyone else here think the IS-3 is going to be pointless since the KV 4 is faster and better armored and has a faster, more accurate and more penning cannon? Sure the IS-3 will do like 170 more damage a minute, but with the KV 4s massive armor, who cares?

[j341c0]

KV-4 doesn't accelerate anywhere NEAR as fast as IS-3.  The IS-3 will maintain its role as a fast flanker, while the KV-4 makes a good wall.

On topic:  The IS-4 seems decent as-is.  However, its ratehr hard to make judgements of its value when all you see is IS-4's spamming gold at each other.  I have driver my 110 against one, and held my own.  They're comparable.  110 accelerates faster, has higher RoF, and better OTM accuracy, while the IS-4 has a bit of alpha, HP, and side/rear armor on the 110.  I could see the IS-4 being used to lead a push, with -7's and 110's on the flanks.

Also, the drivers hatch is a design feature.  The IS-4's lower glacis is pretty damn small.  Not likely to be hit at any kind of range.  Hence, the driver's hatch.  All the T10's have their frontal weakspots, and the hatch is the IS-4's.

[lucyfe]

IS8 and ST-1 are american's tank nightmare

[Drive_Me_Closer]

lucyfe, on Apr 21 2012 - 11:32, said:

IS8 and ST-1 are american's tank nightmare

Not really.  Russian tanks are the most common, so you get used to them fairly quickly.  It is annoying to US tankers however, that Russian tanks have some of the most effective armor, good guns and good speed while other nations are limited to one or two of the three.

[Jason1138]

its so funny to see how many guys have an opinion on the IS4 at tier 10 that can't be bothered to get on the test server and try it out

same thing that happened with the m103 and t110 a month ago

[hiroshi_tea]

been on the test server - IS-4 Isn't anything special.  And this is coming from an American Heavy driver

It largely feels like the original IS-4.  guns pen the front plate around the drivers port pretty well.  The shoulders are tougher to pen - but with so many 270ish pen guns running around - there's really not much that it can stop

[BlackhaloTX]

I played on the test server last night with it, I like the IS8 a lot, and the IS 4 feels just like it does now but with more H.P, different gun, and a little more maneuverability. Was pretty disappointed in the IS4, the front is still very easy to pen especially using the new 122, I played an IS7 and got a steel wall in the first game with it going against nothing but IS8's/and 4's, wish the front of the IS4 had some of the same bounciness. It kinda sucks when it's a tier X and you still have to reverse out of cover and hide your front end.

[Star_Brother]

After playing a bit on test server with IS4. I have to say that it needs a bit more armor upfront. The driver hatch is till  a solid weak spot. Shoulders are also weak. New gun is OK and  extra mobility is nice but tank needs more armor to be a contender. Don't get me wrong i don't want solopwnmobile but at present tank just doesn't qualify into either 'defense' or  assault role. Sad

[SilverforceX]

Don't base your judgement on test, almost every player for some reason uses gold shells.

[MotorizedPatriot]

Yes, disregard this forum post due to the IS-4's poor representation in the test.

Until WG fixes the IS-4's lacking armor, this thread is near pointless.