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[DaTasteyBacon]

Early in the week i finally finished my grind to the s-51.  I was so excited, but after the first battle it was a little fun, made absolutly no money, and decently small xp.  I was wondering if the 203 was better.  First of all is it fun, second does it make money/xp, and finally is it more accurate?

Anyone else wondering?

[Whee]

From what I heard, the S-51 has the biggest gun in the game. (Confirm if this is true, if not then it's the biggest in it's tier). Accurate? For a trade in more firepower, accuracy is probably going to be a lot worst. But don't worry. This arty when used well inflicts very huge (Did I say very huge?) damage for it's tier. It sometimes out damages the other artillery.

Just be aware... 8 shells in that arty is not a lot. Some games you have no kills, some games you have just splashes, some games you cause a tier 9 tank to rage quit because he complains that arty is OP.

[The_Dutch_Oven]

It's almost never the case where the stock gu is better than the upgrade. Except maybe the E-100, and that's more of a "Your preference". Hope that helped.

[The_Dutch_Oven]

Whee, on Apr 19 2012 - 02:58, said:

From what I heard, the S-51 has the biggest gun in the game.

Nope, T92.

[Nerdynoob2]

I LOVE the best gun. Oneshotting tier 7-8 is FUN.

[DaTasteyBacon]

Ok good i cant wait to have one of the best guns in the game now thank you guys.

[DaTasteyBacon]

What about experience does it make alot if your good with it???

[Ralf_Jones]

S-51's 203 definitely packs a bigger punch. 1. Yes, I think it's more fun, especially when you can do a bunch more damage. 2. More damage = more XP and credits, so yeah. 3. It is less accurate that the 152 by 0.06 m, but it still has a good amount of splash damage.

[BCEMonkey]

Whee, on Apr 19 2012 - 02:58, said:

From what I heard, the S-51 has the biggest gun in the game. (Confirm if this is true, if not then it's the biggest in it's tier). Accurate? For a trade in more firepower, accuracy is probably going to be a lot worst. But don't worry. This arty when used well inflicts very huge (Did I say very huge?) damage for it's tier. It sometimes out damages the other artillery.

Just be aware... 8 shells in that arty is not a lot. Some games you have no kills, some games you have just splashes, some games you cause a tier 9 tank to rage quit because he complains that arty is OP.

It has the biggest for its tier, however the T92 has the biggest gun in the game.

[DaTasteyBacon]

Got another question what is the point of a teir 8 arty if the teir 6 already has a gun just as good if not better?

[Whee]

DaTasteyBacon, on Apr 19 2012 - 03:05, said:

Got another question what is the point of a teir 8 arty if the teir 6 already has a gun just as good if not better?

Tier 8 guns are still better than tier 6 guns. Don't forget it's not always the damage but the property of the tank. For example, would you take the Obj. 261 with increased health and increased accuracy over the S-51?

Oh wait, you can't compare two different tier tanks.

[DaTasteyBacon]

Ok thanks Whee

[Nintura]

8 shots what?   203 isnt the biggest, the american t92 has that.  But the 203 hits for around 2300 damage on pens.  It's well worth it.  My SU212 has 40 shots with the same gun.

[Nintura]

DaTasteyBacon, on Apr 19 2012 - 03:05, said:

Got another question what is the point of a teir 8 arty if the teir 6 already has a gun just as good if not better?

Heres a few things

SU14  t6  compared to Object 261.   The 261 has a smaller gun, but has twice the fire rate, better accuracy, faster aiming and better AP rounds.

[LtLefty]

I would unlock the 203 and equip it. Huge difference and if you plan to continue up the russian arty line you will have it available when you unlock the 212, where you need to have it. Get use to using it now would be wise.

I find it a hell of a lot of fun. One shooting that IS 3 or 4 puts a smile on your face. Plus with the large splash a lot of times you can finish of almost dead tanks that are cowering behind a rock.

[Rickholm]

The 203mm is the only reason I started liking the S-51.  I once took out 2 tier 6s and severely damaged another on a single shot.  Also, I personally found 8 shots to be plenty when you factor in how slow the reload is.

You have to be patient, pick your spots and definitely damage the big boys as much as possible.  Taking 60%+ off a E-100 certainly takes away a lot of his mojo.

[fiddler54]

DaTasteyBacon, on Apr 19 2012 - 03:05, said:

Got another question what is the point of a teir 8 arty if the teir 6 already has a gun just as good if not better?

Compare Apples to Roses you mean.
Each tier higher has more hit points and ammo and accuracy/damage buffs.
Grind the S51 to the Object 212 and then come back and then we will discuss the point and the gun.

[vect]

The 203 MAKES the S-51 a usable tier 6 arty. I've used all 4 of the tier 6 arty, and the S-51 is definitely my least favorite (especially when stock) for a couple reasons:

1) You're coming over from a heavy tank line, which means you haven't been practicing your arty for the last 4 tiers.
2) Most people want to keep their heavy tank crew on their heavy tank line, moving on with the KV-3 all the way through to the IS-7. So you're S-51 crew will be brand new, usually at 75%, which lowers your effective even more.
3) The 16 shell magazine (could be off a bit, haven't used it in forever) with the stock 152mm gun go fast and are quite impotent and inaccurate.
4) The 12 shell magazine for the 203mm is annoyingly small, bringing me back to my days in the SU-5 >.<
5) The mobility of the S-51 (and especially stock) is still crap, even if it is slightly better than the SU-14.

Now, don't let me make you think that S-51 is not a worthwhile endeavor. If you are already a competent arty player, going through the S-51 will save you time from having to grind an arty line and a heavy line. Also, the 203mm is the largest at this tier, even if it is in its worst manifestation on the S-51, it still will smack a fool when you hit and will let definitely let you enjoy yourself with this tank (when you aren't pulling your hair out after missing three in a row lol). If I were you, I'd stick it out til you get a 100% crew and fully upgraded S-51 and see if you like it before you do anything drastic.

[Rackminster]

vect, on Apr 19 2012 - 15:35, said:

Now, don't let me make you think that S-51 is not a worthwhile endeavor. If you are already a competent arty player, going through the S-51 will save you time from having to grind an arty line and a heavy line. Also, the 203mm is the largest at this tier, even if it is in its worst manifestation on the S-51, it still will smack a fool when you hit and will let definitely let you enjoy yourself with this tank (when you aren't pulling your hair out after missing three in a row lol). If I were you, I'd stick it out til you get a 100% crew and fully upgraded S-51 and see if you like it before you do anything drastic.

My 203mm S-51 just hit Elite last night.  It took 216 battles (57% win ratio).  That averages out to 940xp gained per battle.  It's probably also earned me a few million in credits along the way - each round gives 20k at a minimum if I hit a few times.  My crew is 86% of the way to Brothers in Arms.

Frankly, I love the S-51.  I mean - I hit a cluster of Tier VIII tanks last night who were silly enough to pack in close and knocked 60% health off the TD and 40% off the two heavies.  It's very slow to reload and I'm patient with my shots - I hardly ever run out of ammo; I'm usually down to 1-3 shots by the end of the match.  I suppose the 212 might encourage me to be more reckless with shots since I get 40 of them, but I don't know if that's a good thing.

I played the American SPG line up to the M7 Priest before getting frustrated with the suck of it and selling it off, so I wasn't unfamiliar with the concepts.  The S-51 hasn't felt like a "grind" since the day I bought it and I love it for that.  I'll probably keep it at least until the crew hits 100% BiA and then move into the 212.

[vect]

Rackminster, on Apr 19 2012 - 16:20, said:

My 203mm S-51 just hit Elite last night.  It took 216 battles (57% win ratio).  That averages out to 940xp gained per battle.  It's probably also earned me a few million in credits along the way - each round gives 20k at a minimum if I hit a few times.  My crew is 86% of the way to Brothers in Arms.

Frankly, I love the S-51.  I mean - I hit a cluster of Tier VIII tanks last night who were silly enough to pack in close and knocked 60% health off the TD and 40% off the two heavies.  It's very slow to reload and I'm patient with my shots - I hardly ever run out of ammo; I'm usually down to 1-3 shots by the end of the match.  I suppose the 212 might encourage me to be more reckless with shots since I get 40 of them, but I don't know if that's a good thing.

I played the American SPG line up to the M7 Priest before getting frustrated with the suck of it and selling it off, so I wasn't unfamiliar with the concepts.  The S-51 hasn't felt like a "grind" since the day I bought it and I love it for that.  I'll probably keep it at least until the crew hits 100% BiA and then move into the 212.

I enjoyed my S-51 and hated the beginning of the American arty line as well. However, I do know that the S-51 has it's frustrating moments. Also, I'm sorry you quit the American line just before the going started to get good lol. The M41 is a pretty decent arty piece, and it just gets better from there, all the way up to the T92 which is my favorite arty piece.


Also, I wouldn't necessarily wait to finish BiA to get the 212. You'll have a long road ahead of you to get to the 261, no real reason to extend it by not playing the S-51, seeing as how the 212 is basically a better version of the S-51 (at least that's my opinion lol). Although I will suggest getting enough free exp so you can buy the tracks for the 212 immediately so you can put the 203mm back on it instead of having to grind them out with the crappy 152mm again lol