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[Gaius]

I swear I don't think I've ever been in a battle with less than tier 9 tanks in this one. It's already rated as a Tier 8 for matchmaking. That's bad enough.

[Lert]

13 90 is rated that way because in the right hands, it can more than handle it.

[TheRonmasteh]

Actually, 13/90 has the same Matchmaking weight as a Tier 9 Heavy!. 13/75 rated as a Tier 7 heavy. With barely double the alpha, the burst damage is also doubled: A single payload gets a potential 1440 instead of the 680. There is no way in the world that any Tier 8 tank of any kind can survive a potential burst of 1440 dmg, it must be rated as Tier 9 to stop it from making it insanely OP.

[_Ruffles_]

TheRonmasteh, on Apr 21 2012 - 03:53, said:

Actually, 13/90 has the same Matchmaking weight as a Tier 9 Heavy!. 13/75 rated as a Tier 7 heavy. With barely double the alpha, the burst damage is also doubled: A single payload gets a potential 1440 instead of the 680. There is no way in the world that any Tier 8 tank of any kind can survive a potential burst of 1440 dmg, it must be rated as Tier 9 to stop it from making it insanely OP.

I swear the 13 90 has tier 8 MM, not tier 9.

[Gaius]

TheRonmasteh, on Apr 21 2012 - 03:53, said:

Actually, 13/90 has the same Matchmaking weight as a Tier 9 Heavy!. 13/75 rated as a Tier 7 heavy. With barely double the alpha, the burst damage is also doubled: A single payload gets a potential 1440 instead of the 680. There is no way in the world that any Tier 8 tank of any kind can survive a potential burst of 1440 dmg, it must be rated as Tier 9 to stop it from making it insanely OP.

You're forgetting one thing: 175 average penetration, zero armor, pathetic HP...

[VegasRon]

TheRonmasteh, on Apr 21 2012 - 03:53, said:

Actually, 13/90 has the same Matchmaking weight as a Tier 9 Heavy!. 13/75 rated as a Tier 7 heavy. With barely double the alpha, the burst damage is also doubled: A single payload gets a potential 1440 instead of the 680. There is no way in the world that any Tier 8 tank of any kind can survive a potential burst of 1440 dmg, it must be rated as Tier 9 to stop it from making it insanely OP.

I don't think so, unless Tier 9 heavies are getting into matches where a Tier 7 is top tank and nobody told me.

[Rifleman223]

Gaius, on Apr 21 2012 - 04:06, said:

You're forgetting one thing: 175 average penetration, zero armor, pathetic HP...

what he said. the tank was NOT OP, now it needs to be brought back down to tier 7... the tank can be penned by almost any tank, not to mention if you FIRE that 6 shots now, your screwed for a good 8 or 9 seconds, which gives any tank the option to destroy it rather quickly.

[Spectre12078]

TheRonmasteh, on Apr 21 2012 - 03:53, said:

Actually, 13/90 has the same Matchmaking weight as a Tier 9 Heavy!. 13/75 rated as a Tier 7 heavy. With barely double the alpha, the burst damage is also doubled: A single payload gets a potential 1440 instead of the 680. There is no way in the world that any Tier 8 tank of any kind can survive a potential burst of 1440 dmg, it must be rated as Tier 9 to stop it from making it insanely OP.

This.

The idea of the Frenchies is to play as a turreted TD.Rush to a spot,shoot your drums,run away. The idea of a french tank is NOTto get shot. Most people play it as a scout tank,and thats why they say its terrible.

If you have to drive this as a scout,then wait till the teams are spread out then look around for holes and exploit them. Dont rush up to the enemy and expect to play it like a T-50-2. You wont live long for that.

[soluuloi]

TheRonmasteh, on Apr 21 2012 - 03:53, said:

Actually, 13/90 has the same Matchmaking weight as a Tier 9 Heavy!. 13/75 rated as a Tier 7 heavy. With barely double the alpha, the burst damage is also doubled: A single payload gets a potential 1440 instead of the 680. There is no way in the world that any Tier 8 tank of any kind can survive a potential burst of 1440 dmg, it must be rated as Tier 9 to stop it from making it insanely OP.

Nuff said.  

[Gaius]

soluuloi, on Apr 21 2012 - 16:33, said:

Nuff said.  

Yep potential is different from reality.

[pyantoryng]

I had been on top in my 1390, and I've seen other 1390 on top before.

It's just very rare.

[Rifleman223]

The tank is designed for flanking, how does that make sense when it cannot even hit while on the move?

[soluuloi]

Rifleman223, on Apr 22 2012 - 12:07, said:

The tank is designed for flanking, how does that make sense when it cannot even hit while on the move?

Because of ppl like this one:
http://forum.worldof...t-the-amx-line/

[OMGNUB]

tier 9 battles are gr8, tier 10 is okay

[Tpaktop2_1]

Rifleman223, on Apr 22 2012 - 12:07, said:

The tank is designed for flanking, how does that make sense when it cannot even hit while on the move?

It could be the target size while on the move. For example I was driving parallel to a standing still KV-3 yesterday in a match. I drove by at full speed and was able to one shot hit the KV-3 for damage at 35 meters. Now it would be different if I was going against a standing AMX 13 90 or a different moving target, I would bet that I would miss in that case. But again hitting your target depends on the aiming situation.

[Okeano]

It's fine as it is. I do miss the -9 gun depression though. I actually do better middle on the list than top (passive scout to light up enemy for my bigger guns then finish off weakened targets rather than having to make the most kills myself and take damage). The tank is meant to be a support tank (spot, flank) and support tanks with paper armor don't do well when it's on top of the list and have to hold its weight against their tier 8 regular tanks while everything can pen you.

[OMGNUB]

sigh i wish it could get into a tier 7 battle, only thing might be able to stop it is a hull down t29 far far away so i cant get flanked, but the best mm it gets it tier 9, sad

[7th_Cav_Foxtrot]

Rifleman223, on Apr 21 2012 - 16:22, said:

what he said. the tank was NOT OP, now it needs to be brought back down to tier 7... the tank can be penned by almost any tank, not to mention if you FIRE that 6 shots now, your screwed for a good 8 or 9 seconds, which gives any tank the option to destroy it rather quickly.

Reload times can be up to 40 secs.  I play my 75 and 90 mostly as support for mediums or a TD... but, I'll go looking for a fight when I'm with Lorraine...

[Okeano]

On maps like Campanvoka,  El Halluf and Komarin, a good 13-90 that knows how to passive scout can almost determine the entire match. Even suicide dumping 1440 damage into their tier 10 can have a large impact on the game. With my clutch breaking getting close to around 70%, it turns very well even going 60. The small turn radius is great for zooming in and out if the fight. It's less effective after the nerfs, but it's still a viable and fun tank with tier 8 weighting.

7th_Cav_Foxtrot, on Apr 25 2012 - 02:17, said:

Reload times can be up to 40 secs.  I play my 75 and 90 mostly as support for mediums or a TD... but, I'll go looking for a fight when I'm with Lorraine...

I was racing towards Karelia south hill when their Lorraine got around their side of the bent same time I did. Instead of turn up my side of the hill, I went after him. Since I knew both of our reticles are huge right now, as we were going 60. But he was a much bigger target than I am. I ended up circling him and only took one shot while killing him. The long 90mm is great on Lorraine, since it no longer feels like you are shooting slingshot at someone (da shot drop with short 90mm), but these two tanks do play differently and both affect the battle in different ways. Lorraine is there as damage dealer while 13-90 is more of a spotter and arty hunter that can also do burst damage (on side/rear of tanks) if needed.

[SgtChico]

Lert, on Apr 21 2012 - 03:47, said:

13 90 is rated that way because in the right hands, it can more than handle it.

What he said.

  The 13/90 is suppose to be the scout tanks that can hang and play with the big boys in Tier 9/10 matches.

Even though the nerf it got last patch makes it a little harder to hang in these Matches, it can still get the job done.

Some of us are happy that it gets placed in tier 9/10 matches so much, i know that is what i want. i want to play in tier 9/10 matches and i want to do it in a Light tank, so the 13 90 does just that.

Just wish it would not have been nerfed.