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 thetap, on Apr 23 2012 - 15:54, said:

So why post in an IS-4 thread when you have not played it on test? Your experiences
playing the ST-1 belong on the feedback thread for that tank not here.

How do you describe a front plate that can easily be penned by T7 and 8 tanks as tough as nails is beyond me, and if you angle your tank then have fun with your ammo rack being a nice easy target 160mm of armor wont stop anything when they are shooting right into it heck even T6 tanks can go through the front of a IS4. Play the tank then make comments don't make third person observations and assume its how the tank performs.

 Garnett101st, on Apr 22 2012 - 11:45, said:

Your kidding right gun goes through anything like butter

IS4 seems like a very well rounded tier 10.  Almost OP in fact.  Its top speed is higher than the T110 (downhill), great armor and pretty much the same type of gun the T110 has.  I've got about 20 battles in it on the test server.  Hard to gauge the effectiveness of the frontal armor with all the gold being thrown around.  This does give me a good idea of what will happen to it in CW.

 Hovertank, on Apr 23 2012 - 16:07, said:

Don't pull speed into the equation at all. It is slower in every way except down hill than a T110,the is-4's track traverse was even nerfed in 7.3. On flat ground an IS-4 won't keep up with a T110 nor going uphill, it turns like a slug and lacks neutral steering which also hinder it compared to a T110. They are tanks that seem to be being pushed into the same role by WG but the IS-4 is miles behind the T110 in every way in mobility.

The IS-4 atm has only one of the three parts of the trinity of armored warfare. Armor, Firepower, and Mobility...the current test server IS-4 has firepower...mobility is garbage, and the front armor upper and lower plates might as well be wet paper vs most T7+ tanks and even some T6 tanks like the KV-2-107 and the ARL-44 with the 212 pen 90mm.

When I fight a T110 in my Tiger 2 i actually aim for weak points usually lower hull next to the tracks since the coupala can actually be kind of bouncy... vs IS-4's you can pen anywhere you want in the front almost. Name another T10 that has that. E100..have to hit lower plate,if it isn't hidden, and if it is angled it can bounce a good bit still, Maus my tiger 2 isn't going to pen the front at all with normal rounds, T110 stated above, IS-7 only possible place i have a chance is under the pike nose unless he isn't head on then you MAY get through one of the pike plates if shooting from the side.

 THE_VULTURE, on Apr 23 2012 - 16:06, said:

The point i was making, Which everyone missed is IS4 a tier 10 can get killed by tier 8s easily, Maus not so much. (Frontally at least)

 Adamanthys, on Apr 22 2012 - 09:23, said:

Except for alpha. It's not fun when you don't one-shot an arty or scout.

 MistaPlug, on Apr 23 2012 - 16:06, said:

You're claiming the IS-4 has weak armour and is easily destroyed - I can assure you that isn't what's happening on Test, even with all the Gold rounds flying.

The ST-I armour layout is similar enough to be relevant here.

 MistaPlug, on Apr 23 2012 - 16:06, said:

IS-4 (and ST-I) is not easily penetrated by Tier 6, Tier 7, or Tier 8 tanks. If you want to make ridiculous claims, you need to back it up with some evidence.

 thetap, on Apr 23 2012 - 17:06, said:

Back it up? I've been playing since closed beta had an IS4 then have one on live too i know what it's armor can do on live and have played it on test server, heck i even have replays on the russian heavy forums showing a TIER ONE can kill and pen and IS-4 driver port. I regularly train clanmates where and how to pen tanks in training battles and can on first shot damage an ammo rack on an IS4 every time in these training sessions. Don't try to lecture me about not knowing what the IS-4 armor can do. The only reliable armor on the IS-4 is the side spaced armor and its tracks absorbing hits for you.

Heck with some of the new guns you can almost auto pen the front of the IS4...The M58 and new M62 can even pen the front of the IS-4 turret. Someone had a nice picture with 4 shots in their IS-4 mantlet but alsa WG decided to DELETE our IS-4 armor poll and discussion thread.

The ST-1 while a same layout is LESS ANGLED and therefore will under perform an IS-4 in every situation and cannot be compared accurately to it.

 thetap, on Apr 23 2012 - 17:06, said:

It's not, even the current IS-4 can bounce 200 pen guns with abit of smart play. But the issue is the devs is trying to squeeze it into the Russian Maus role. And Maus currently can make itself immune to tier 8 tanks just by throwing its hull at a 45 degree angle. I rather that they nerf the pen of the 122mm to 250 but give it 160mm glacis, increase the armor behind the tracks to 160 (instead of 120 currently). And remove that stupid viewport weakness.

 MistaPlug, on Apr 23 2012 - 17:10, said:

I recommend you drive one on Test. They are performing quite well. Whether that's due to the new gun or the moderate armour upgrade, I have no idea.

Having said that, I will be surprised if IS-4 doesn't get a buff before release - after all it is supposed to be the 'armoured' Heavy of the Russian lineup - but even right now it's certainly not a bad tank.

 thetap, on Apr 23 2012 - 17:17, said:

http://overlord-wot....ml#comment-form
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YaspaApr 21, 2012 12:54 PM
would be great if the IS-4 got some frontal hull armor

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OverlordApr 21, 2012 12:57 PM
Not really likely. Will adjust other specs if needed.

Nuff said straight from overlord's blog its not gonna get more armor changes....so don't hold your breathe...

and read my post I HAVE DRIVEN IT ON TEST

Post some replays up, we might be able to give some advice on where you're going wrong with it.

 thetap, on Apr 23 2012 - 17:23, said:

not to be mean but with your paltry 80 games on live with the IS-4 i don't think your in a position to give advice with it. unless you've played like 200 games on test with it? which i highly doubt.

and if you say the driver port isn't broken i redirect you here.

23mm pen is enough to get through it...well its the smallest guns i could think of to use for that test (the 13.2mm machine gun on the FT-17 Renault)

Seriously, you're stressing over nothing. IS-4 is one of the most popular tanks in the game - its release form will be good, guaranteed.

Driver port is not a big deal compared to the weak spots the other Tier 10 tanks have.


Edit: That wasn't me that negged you.

the drivers port is a pretty big deal considering if you watch just the AP replay or look at the screenshot a T1 frenchie killed the driver, commander, observation devices, and ENGINE through the driver port. Which means a shot into your drivers port has a chance to damage your engine and set you on fire. I would say that is a pretty big weak point considering is a 23mm pen gun can hit your engine through the drivers port...something bigger has a pretty decent chance to too. The 4502p Auf B had this bug in Beta and it was fixed(aka a loltraktor could repeatedly set it on fire through its front driver port). I wish this would get fixed for the IS-4.


Edit: didn't think it was its probably people who are afraid to get into a heated discussion on the forums

I understand what you're saying, but you're attributing too much to 'potential' and not enough to what's actually happening on the battlefield. Drivers port is not realistically hittable beyond point blank range (remember the plate around that vision slit is more heavily armoured now).

The armour needs to bounce rounds at moderate ranges, and it does. Is its protection enough? I don't know, but that's why we're testing on the test server.

 thetap, on Apr 23 2012 - 17:49, said:

The problem is we aren't really testing. They stated during the 7.2 test nothing we really say is counted toward balancing tanks in test servers, unless i guess say we find some huge broken bug they missed, all balancing is based on supertesting and internal testing, and is then balance post patch if needed. All the test server really seems to be is them testing the new maps or additions like clan emblems on tanks to make sure they are working with more players than just supertest numbers, aka your not getting stuck in the ground or on ledges on maps etc. There is a reason in 7.2 they never listened to the input of test server complaints and just balance as they saw fit...they did it all based on Supertesting and internal testing. There is a reason most patches don't stay on test server longer than 2-3 weeks. It is more of a preview than an actual test. If they wanted a legitimate test they would disable gold ammo on it. As it is now it is just a place for people to test and acquire tanks they don't have to try them out and see what new is coming.

Yeah, fair enough. But like I said before, of all the tanks in the game I cannot see them releasing IS-4 in a disappointing state. It might not turn out to be the armoured behemoth they originally planned, though, I suppose.

The big problem with its armor is in a straight on shot its 140mm at 60 degrees is adequate at best ~233mm effective armor....the problem is most tanks are quite a bit taller than the IS-4 since they shrank it reducing the effective angle which results in your effective armor actually probably is usually only around 200mm of armor, which is quite easy to penetrate with a lot of weapons. the drivers port itself 200mm at 30 degrees is still gonna get penetrated too. So at long ranged yes rounds will bounce a lot...but at medium and close range they won't especially the new high pen guns. The only tank close range you will reliably bounce is the E-100 if he is using AP....If he doesn't have a downward angle into your front armor which is highly unlikely.

This problem is compounded even more with the fact that new high pen guns can even penetrate the front of the turret at the mantlet, albeit at close range this is still a problem.

If they don't want to up the armor they are going to need to change quite a bit in the mobility department of the IS-4 and make its reload faster and aim time quicker for it to be competitive with how CW is played now with fast mobile forces of T110 and IS7 swarms. Right now it is not adequately armored to be a heavy pusher like a maus, and it doesn't have the mobility to be part of a fast group of T110's and IS-7's either. Its top speed may be 43 but on flat ground your lucky to hit 30-35, and it turns like a pig. I don't see any reason right now for it to be used over one of these other options at the moment.

Edit: Why do ppl keep neg repping posts... Post your thoughts on why something is wrong or different...if you don't have the guts to do that please stop neg repping random posts in a discussion

 Hovertank, on Apr 23 2012 - 16:07, said:

I'm sorry but you can go on the live servers and test the effectiveness of the IS-4's frontal hull since no changes have been made that part of the tank.