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[Okeano]

Gun depression needs to revert back to -8 so it can hull down to compensate for its armor (lack off).

[Keifomofutu]

V_P_V, on Apr 22 2012 - 22:30, said:

They increased the IS7 armor in 7.3???
Because it sucks in 7.2, compared to IS4.

227 pen from the KV4 was enough to pen the is4 2 out of 3 times through the upper glacis.  Most tanks are taller than is4 and the closer you get to it the weaker its upper plate angle gets.  If it was supposed to be a brawler tank its designed the opposite of the way it needs to be.  The lower glacis will always remain a 220 pen weakpoint but at the moment the entire upper hull is just as weak.  The track armor is only 120mm meaning just about anything matched against IS4 won't have issues penning it somewhere.  And thanks to its gun depression nerf to -6 it can't reliably hide its hull to fire.  Both T110 and IS7 blow this thing out of the water.

[Tupinambis]

Was the IS-4's gun depression actually reduced?

EDIT: Got ninja'd by the post above. NVM.

[Keifomofutu]

Tupinambis, on Apr 22 2012 - 23:14, said:

Was the IS-4's gun depression actually reduced?

Definitely.  The ST-1 inherited IS4s gun depression but for some reason the IS4's was nerfed even though it now uses a smaller calibre gun.  Its the straw that broke the camels back for me as you can't even fight hulldown using your strong turret properly anymore.  It doesn't make sense that they would give ST1 good gun depression and then swipe it from the tier 10 tank from the same line.  There is no sense of progression.

[_Shanks_]

I don't play clan wars but i can't see any reason to use an IS4 instead of an IS7, its superior in every area by far. I don't understand why its so hard to balance tanks.

[Okeano]

Keifomofutu, on Apr 22 2012 - 23:12, said:

The track armor is only 120mm

They actually kept the 120mm that was ninja nerfed into 7.2? Have anyone tried shooting the track plate with sub 160mm pen guns on test server?

[Liebestod]

Yeah I thought the gun depression seemed worse. Man they are really going out of their way to put to rest the "russian bias" myth this time. Well, at least I have an IS7. I'll start grinding towards a T110 now.

[HK_AdrianChung]

Tanitha, on Apr 22 2012 - 11:22, said:

Please, provide feedback on new state of IS-4 in this thread.
Previous feedback has been collected and sent through to the development team.

Regards
Tan.

Hi all here
The new is4 can be destribed withone word;suck.
Why it suck?its just the old is4 added hp,the top speed is higher and a little bit faster.
Compare to the other t10s,does it have armor?NO.howabout top speed?yeah it have 43km/h which is not bad to a heavies,but is7 did 50.
Oh well maybe u will think.T110 top speed just 37!and is4 does 43!But ask yourself,can is4 move faster
Than 40km/h in a flat ground?
Look at the old t30,yeah it's armor suck,but wait,he still have an unpenatration turrent and a big gun.
But what is4 got?the new gun?armor?mobility?
WG,do something please-at least give back us is4's armor in 7.1

[TigerHawk]

Why does the IS-4 cost 5k more to repair when destroyed compared to the IS-7?

Also, give me my gun depression back, you ninja nerfers.

[zap123]

Very poor tier 10 as it currently stands.  I've had some success by burying the nose behind rubble piles and letting peeps bounce off my sides, but in a brawl you get owned by T9/10s and a KV-4 can give you a serious touch up.  I'd be selling this quicker than the meh KV-3 on live if it stays the way it is.

[Kutchacockov]

So for a noob player, the only worth to having an IS4 in the garage is to sell it??? Because I'm trying to get 250k exp by April 30th for it:P. Hopefully release date will be later than anticipated. Any news there?

[TigerHawk]

Pharstar, on Apr 23 2012 - 01:14, said:

So for a noob player, the only worth to having an IS4 in the garage is to sell it??? Because I'm trying to get 250k exp by April 30th for it:P. Hopefully release date will be later than anticipated. Any news there?

This is only the first test, there could be 2 or 3 revisions by the time it hits live. In it's current status though it is fairly craptacular. The front armor just isn't enough and it NEEDS the gun depression back. Badly.

[Dago_n_TX]

IS-4 Test

This is my initial impressions of the IS-4 on the test server.

On an informational level I have 222 battles in the IS-4 on the NA server with a 56% win ratio. I have 6 end tier tanks, IS-7, E50, E100, GW Type E, T30, and T110ES, and have participated in several clan war battles.

In all of my games I will not be using any premium rounds. I am using the tier 10 gun and have the tank fitted with a rammer, vert stab. and a set of vents. For consumables I use first aid kit, sm repair and the lend lease oil. My crew is at 100% with 100% repair and aprox 70% second skills.

As per all tests in the test server the spamming of gold ammo makes it hard to comment upon the tanks armor and its ability to withstand some damage, although in the case of the IS-4 and other tier X tanks this is not as much of a concern as one might think due to the fact that they are regularly used in CW and face premium ammo all the time. Still its hard to judge the tanks ability to withstand dmg from tanks that one would think would normally have a hard time penning it.

Having said that, In comparison to the IS-4 I know on the test server, this tank seems a bit soft for its tier. I don't think its anywhere as soft as those that are screaming but I think a small buff to its frontal armor is in order. I will say this was NOT at ALL what I envisioned that the newIS-4 was going to be like. Coming from the KV line and with the stated intent of it being the soviet version of the maus, I fully expected a monster that plodded along and hit everything with a hammer. It's quite a bit more nimble than I expected. I dont know if I was envisioning a maus with an E100 or T30 style of gun of what. I just know that I DID NOT expect the tank to be as it is. I have enjoyed playing it in the handful of matches I have played it in. I don't think it's nearly as soft as some do and I think its a fairly good tank. I do not think its quite up to the other tier X's either though. I can't quite put my thumb on why not or for that matter what would make it so. I think it needs some frontal armor but I dont think it needs to be some crazy increase. The drivers hatch has been a major complaint of mine and always will be, its such a glaring weakness that common sense says would have been and should be addressed. I believe it was on several of the prototype models. I understand balance issues though so if it has to be it has to be, maybe a balancing adjustment on the size of that hit box perhaps. Anyways I will continue to play the tank and report as I get more and more battles with it.

[Okeano]

If they insist on keeping upper plate at 140 for historical reason then:

-Buff shoulder to 200, or whatever amount that matches the upper glacis of E75, so it absolutely can't be penned when it's showing flat while the tank is angled. Plate behind tracks back to 160 (if haven't already). This way, skilled player can make the tank very bouncy through angling, yet it won't be completely immune frontally.

-Bring back -8 gun depression so it can take advantage of terrain.

These 2 changes will make it so that the tank will be very viable in experiences hands but easilly killable when driven by a noob.

[Lagometer]

I was near the top of the hill on Malinovka, pointing downhill, aiming towards the church. I couldn't deflect the IS-8's gun enough to engage the enemy. I had to fully expose myself, with the usual disastrous results. Microterrain is unkind to the IS-8.

I went face to face with an IS-7 in my IS-4. While my HEAT rounds were bouncing, his rigid shot was not. It wasn't even close. He destroyed me easily.

Generally, the Russian tanks are playable as is.

My little French arty kept getting into high tier battles where I endlessly bounced heat and AP off of IS'7's, Lowe's, IS-8's, anything with a little armor.

[bashotokoro]

the increase in top speed is good but i don't think it is needed.. its original speed limit(35 km/h) is still acceptable in its tier 10 status.. all the new IS-4 need is some small tweak in its armor stat

if the speed increase was given because devs don't want to touch its armor, then, we will see a useless tier 10 of all is in soviet tech tree

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can IS-4 get the S-70 gun as its gun option? make it unlockable like the 2nd gun on E-100
as of now, the M62-T2 gun is not an option, it is the one and only gun for the new IS-4.. only fool will bring D-25T gun into battle

[Grisbane]

having tested the IS-4 and played a bit of the IS-7 in order to compare..  i find the IS-4 rather lackluster,  something needs to be done about the front armor, the IS-7 regularly bounces rounds whereas my IS-4 barely does.  in the most common styles of peek-a-boo that you get in this game, the IS-4 fails. and without being able to use terrain, there is virtually no role for the tank, it lacks the speed and maneuverability  to make use of its gun properly.  the high rate of fire, high penetration gun style belongs on fast heavy's, not slow brawlers (which the IS-4 is).  i do not use gold rounds for testing as it negates the entire point.  i find the gun penetrates rather well and has decent accuracy at range, which suggests maybe wargamers tried to make this into a support tier 10, but without adequate depression (at least -8) it cannot fill this role well either.  i foresee this having no role in clan wars except as an emergency fallback if tank freezing ever comes into play.   but for most, if this tank goes onto live server as-is, those that have the IS-7 will simply sell the IS-4 for an extra slot and some cash, those who don't have the IS-7 will most likely keep it until the IS-7 is researched, and then use sell to fund said tank.  only the newer players who are looking for an easy tier 10 at release will keep it for any length.  and with the line leading up to it in the state that it is, i don't foresee many wanting to grind up to it for any other reason than collection purposes.

[O_Taipan]

Pharstar, on Apr 23 2012 - 01:14, said:

So for a noob player, the only worth to having an IS4 in the garage is to sell it??? Because I'm trying to get 250k exp by April 30th for it:P. Hopefully release date will be later than anticipated. Any news there?

As someone who has just finished that grind, I can say don't bother. It's a long grind if not using many doubles.

It's lost relative Armor when moving to T10
The gun has lost damage (actually went down per shot), in absolute terms.
It's lost gun depression as well.
It's slower than IS-7
What does IS-4 do that IS-7 doesn't?

Nerfing when going up a tier is backwards, so unless you want to grind to the IS-7 (which is not nerfed), then focus on whatever other tank you enjoy.

[Holeinthehead]

Adamanthys, on Apr 22 2012 - 11:38, said:

I think with the way it is now It can take about as much punishment as most other tier 10s with its HP and bouncy sides and at same time its fast enough to get to where it needs to be. Its a decent all-rounder AGAINST LOWER TIERS. If anything I believe it should get a ROF or Alhpa increase.

Also removeing / buffing the drivers hatch would not be as much as a buff as some might think, look at this Replay. All of the hits go through the upper and lower front hull, not the drivers hatch.

ATM the IS7 has much better effective armour and maneuverability plus its alpha means more than the small rof and pen increase is4 gets (especially in tier 10 matches) and T110 has it all, armour, DPM, accuracy / aimtime and speed in exchange for side armour and a hard to hit weakpoint (harder to hit than the whole of is4s front I mean)With all this the IS4 presents very little reason to be used over the is7 or other tier 10s.

Here come the neg reps from T110 users.

TlGERACE, on Apr 22 2012 - 14:33, said:

I totally agree with you my fellow tanker +1 for you

Tiger Ace

ValkyrieVewas, on Apr 22 2012 - 15:13, said:

Is4 is a great tank imo. In 3 battles I killed 15 enemy tanks. The armor will still bounce quite a bit when gold rounds or new is or t110 gun not shooting at it. It's fast and has just a awesome gun. I believe people wanted this to be a e100 it simply is not its a t110 that moves better and has a better gun . If anything keep with the trend and give it alittle bit better rate of fire. In clan wars u could take these if you don't have the money for gold rounds becuase stock ap goes though a ton of targets I have really only acer fought a is7 head on and we both were penning every shot. I won becuase I had more life

Midnitewolf, on Apr 22 2012 - 15:58, said:

Overall, I really don't feel much of a change.  IS-4 got more HPs, a slightly better gun (in my opinion), a bit of top end speed but it still completely feels and plays justlike my Tier 9 IS-4.

I will say without a doubt that they have definately had some changes to their armor though.  Since there are crazy numbers of IS-4s being played, I have had the opportunity to play a multitude of tanks against them and for me at least, they are bouncing alot more shots, form a lot heavier guns on test, then they do currently on live.  The drivers hatch for one definately seems to have been buffed.  I have had multiple instances where I have fired at the hatch and all I get for my efforts is a nice sliver mark of a bounce dead center to the hatch (though not the viewport).

No idea what tank you folks think you are playing . It certainly is not the IS 4 .

Atm with the way it is , it's useless .

I do , and have always considered a Tier 10 tank to be something of a brawler . I can , do , will penetrate the front of the IS 4 as it stands atm 98% of the time . Worse still , I do damage , significant damage .

Last night I was destroyed in one in 2 shots , and no , I was not ammo racked .

Fighting against them is any easy win .

So the way it stands now , it's a Tier 10 TD .

For a Tier 10 tank , It's a big disappointment . Not being able to get in the thick of things and mix it up defeats the purpose .

[runnrebel]

I'm finding that the IS-4 in the 7.3 version needs to have the S-70 Gun that it has in the 7.2 version. It just seems fitting to have the S-70 gun on a tier 10 tank.
I'm not saying I dislike the 122mm M62-T2 gun on the IS-4 but that gun is better suited on the IS-8 and ST-1 tanks!