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Astto #1 Posted Apr 23 2012 - 00:13

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All i have done since the start is play german tanks. I have completed the tree and i enjoy everything from scouting in my VK2801, playing missile command with my GW-Type E, sniping with my JagerTiger, fast paced combat with my E50 and or straight out brawling with my E100 or Maus. I even love derpin it up in my Stuggy.

How ever though since the last couple of previous patches and the introduction of changes to american and russian tanks which have both been significantly improved all the while the german heavies have been left behind. It doesnt even matter if i angle my armor anymore they still have no problem at all penetrating my Maus and E100's armor and thats with out even mentioning how unforgiving artillery is now when ever my E100 or Maus is hit by it. They'd might aswell have giant targets painted on top of them. German armor is so ineffective now that even a Lowe can penetrate the side skirts of my E100 even when angled 45 or more degrees. (You guys are aware the skirts and turret on the E100 in game are the incorrect ones? There is a model here with images of what the completed tank would've looked like here and again here You can see it uses the Maus turret and has sloped armor on the skirts). Where does it leave my heavies that i worked so hard for?

Well my clan won't even take german heavies into clan matches anymore.........

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View PostAstto, on Apr 23 2012 - 00:13, said:

All i have done since the start is play german tanks. I have completed the tree and i enjoy everything from scouting in my VK2801, playing missile command with my GW-Type E, sniping with my JagerTiger, fast paced combat with my E50 and or straight out brawling with my E100 or Maus. I even love derpin it up in my Stuggy.

How ever though since the last couple of previous patches and the introduction of changes to american and russian tanks which have both been significantly improved all the while the german heavies have been left behind. It doesnt even matter if i angle my armor anymore they still have no problem at all penetrating my Maus and E100's armor and thats with out even mentioning how unforgiving artillery is now when ever my E100 or Maus is hit by it. They'd might aswell have giant targets painted on top of them. German armor is so ineffective now that even a Lowe can penetrate the side skirts of my E100 even when angled 45 or more degrees. (You guys are aware the skirts and turret on the E100 in game are the incorrect ones? There is a model here with images of what the completed tank would've looked like here and again here You can see it uses the Maus turret and has sloped armor on the skirts). Where does it leave my heavies that i worked so hard for?

Well my clan won't even take german heavies into clan matches anymore.........
Wait until the StuG E-100 comes out. Things will be quite fun then...

Dawbacca #3 Posted Apr 23 2012 - 00:22

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Yeah, with the recent additions and changes to the Teir X tank line, it seems the E-100 is losing it's spot in CW a bit.
It's main strength is it's High Alpha Damage, but even this seems to be not enough these days.
Maybe including the historical option 170mm KwK 44 as a final gun would help out the E-100?

BluefoxP #4 Posted Apr 23 2012 - 00:24

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Well the one E-100 you have pointed out is just one of three E-100 models.

http://ww2drawings.j...nks/E100/p1.jpg
This is what I called the E-100 Ausf.A

http://ww2drawings.j...E-100(3)/p1.jpg
This is what is in the Game right now; I call it E-100 Ausf.B

http://ww2drawings.j...E-100(2)/p1.jpg
and this is one is the last and most likely what the Production Model was going to be, I call it E-100 Ausf.C

I think the devs picked the Ausf.B of the E-100, as it has a different Turret than the Maus to give it a unique look.

Mi_Amore_Cadenza #5 Posted Apr 23 2012 - 00:27

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i want that last models turret it looks so much better than the others  :Smile_great:

edit: German tanks not just heavy's are being left behind i think all of their tanks are not performing as well because of the newer heavy's being released.

you should have posted this in the 7.3 thread tho tanitha is reading them there

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http://forum.worldof...#entry1772721  :rolleyes:

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Stay the course.  German engineering and quality will win out in the end.

  Our task is NO WHERE near as hard as the American line.

  Be grateful for the little things.  BEST accuracy, for one.

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View PostDante5521, on Apr 23 2012 - 00:27, said:

i want that last models turret it looks so much better than the others  :Smile_great:

edit: German tanks not just heavy's are being left behind i think all of their tanks are not performing as well because of the newer heavy's being released.

you should have posted this in the 7.3 thread tho tanitha is reading them there

Tan closed the 7.3 thread.

Sealteam6 #9 Posted Apr 23 2012 - 00:47

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If I remember the German Tree was the first updated, then the slow process of the others followed, The German Tree gets its turn again soon & so forth.

I am disappointed that the E100 became the white elephant after patch 7.0 as well, In the UC, if we have a choice between an E100, a Maus, a T110 or IS7, the E100 misses out every time now which is a shame as it was once a good Tank, hurts that bit more considering myself, like others made a big investment in the German Tree.

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View PostToothDecay, on Apr 23 2012 - 00:35, said:

Tan closed the 7.3 thread.
then make a new one

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View PostDante5521, on Apr 23 2012 - 00:51, said:

then make a new one

Um, I'm not the OP.

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View PostAstto, on Apr 23 2012 - 00:13, said:

All i have done since the start is play german tanks. I have completed the tree and i enjoy everything from scouting in my VK2801, playing missile command with my GW-Type E, sniping with my JagerTiger, fast paced combat with my E50 and or straight out brawling with my E100 or Maus. I even love derpin it up in my Stuggy.

How ever though since the last couple of previous patches and the introduction of changes to american and russian tanks which have both been significantly improved all the while the german heavies have been left behind. It doesnt even matter if i angle my armor anymore they still have no problem at all penetrating my Maus and E100's armor and thats with out even mentioning how unforgiving artillery is now when ever my E100 or Maus is hit by it. They'd might aswell have giant targets painted on top of them. German armor is so ineffective now that even a Lowe can penetrate the side skirts of my E100 even when angled 45 or more degrees. (You guys are aware the skirts and turret on the E100 in game are the incorrect ones? There is a model here with images of what the completed tank would've looked like here and again here You can see it uses the Maus turret and has sloped armor on the skirts). Where does it leave my heavies that i worked so hard for?

Well my clan won't even take german heavies into clan matches anymore.........
Agreed, however I have very good news. 7.1 was French, 7.2 was American, 7.3 is going to be Russian, and therefore when 7.4 comes out it will be the Germans turn to get a boost. And when that day comes all who fight against the German heavy line shall know fear in their final hour. No tank shall stand, and that is why I am starting the German heavy line. Good luck and I hope this news cheers you up

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Actually, as I understand it, 7.4 is French TDs and SPGs.

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Well, Dinner, you did cheer me up until I read balmungs post, I think he is right, after that it maybe the British line, then the Japanese, Then the Upper Voltas turn........
By the time the REAL Tanks get an upgraded Tree, all the other Nations will be cruising around in Mech Warriors Gauss gunning my Maus with one shot Pew pew pew.

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Actually, I think 7.5 and 7.6 are Brits and German 2nd TD line. Don't know which is coming first (the TDs or the Brits, that is), though.

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View Postbalmung60, on Apr 23 2012 - 07:43, said:

Actually, I think 7.5 and 7.6 are Brits and German 2nd TD line. Don't know which is coming first, though.

I'd wager 7.5 will come before 7.6.












j/k :D

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that E-100 with the E-75 style turret and 128 mm L61 is just what the doctor ordered, if we could get that in the game I would actually consider getting an E-100 in the standard game as opposed to only during the test servers. It doesn't make sense it would only be on the JT after all.

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View PostAstto, on Apr 23 2012 - 00:13, said:

All i have done since the start is play german tanks.

And that there is the problem.

The grass is always greener and the enemy tank is always better until, you drive it.

You really need to experience the other side of the fence and you will be more than a little surprised that German armour can still hold it's own.

CameronForester #19 Posted Apr 23 2012 - 13:05

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When use properly, I havent noticed a significant change in the German heavies. The Löwe however has been messed up since I got it; the gun's performance falls fall short of how the stats say it should perform.

As for the E-100 visual problems, I've been saying all along that it's turret is wrong. The intended production turret, at least for the first 8 or 9 tanks, was the Maus turret. There was no decision for another turret after that. The turret in the game was considered but passed over for the Mausturm. The "Krupp" turret as everyone calls it (3rd turret in the pic above; I call it the Trumpeter turret) is completely fake. It was created by a modeler for a scratchbuilt E-100 then copied by Trumpeter for their E-100 model kit. There is no evidence that the turret ever existed. What's wrong with the side skirts for the E-100 though?

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This subject is being brought up with more and more frequency lately.

I don't want to keep saying "Use the search" but we've addressed this before. Yes, all the other nations are getting cold war era tanks. No, the Germans weren't allowed to develop many tanks post WWII, however there were two options... one would be a viable new Tier 10 heavy, and one would be a good tier 10 medium.

The Heavy - Leopard L1A3

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The Medium - MBT-70 (by tonnage and thinner armor values)

http://www.davidprid..._Ft_Knox_09.jpg

Both are completely analog tanks (emphasis on L1A3 - last variation without guidance or optic systems) which would make them viable.