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Belrick #41 Posted Oct 01 2010 - 08:12

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View Postalm80, on Sep 30 2010 - 22:57, said:

Why does it matter how good real Maus was? We are talking about a game loosely based on some WWII tanks designs. Yes. Real Maus was an engineering disaster - it was so heavy, it could not go over bridges, it couldn't even move on every surface, getting stuck a lot. The Germans tried to make it cross rivers by moving on the river bed, but had to work on life support systems for the crew. Eventually the whole concept was scrapped. But that was history, in a GAME top German tank should be balanced against top Russian tank. You see dozens of IS-7's and Maus is a rarity - that means something. In many cases Maus is not a killing machine a T10 tank should be, but a convenient target for enemy heavies and arty of course.


You do realize that the Russians dropped the KV for a few reasons including that it couldnt also go over many bridges?
ps: KV is 40tons

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View Postramp4ge, on Oct 01 2010 - 08:03, said:

And what is adding the 75mm coax going to do? Give it a gun that bounces on everything bigger then a Panzer III? Lol.

I guess the idea is to give it ROF or the ability to engage weaker targets without wasting 1K (or however much the shells cost).

I'm not certain why people want it so bad either but it would certainly be interesting to see lol.

soulspectre #43 Posted Oct 01 2010 - 08:18

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They're improving the maus in the next patch by including a new unique item for it, Equipment:Coffins.

ramp4ge #44 Posted Oct 01 2010 - 08:19

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If they add the coax 75mm we might actually see the maus == is-7.

Again, what is the 75mm coax going to do except give the Maus a useless gun that will bounce on everything bigger then a light tank, that it's turret's horrible traverse won't be able to track anyway?

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I guess the idea is to give it ROF or the ability to engage weaker targets without wasting 1K (or however much the shells cost).

I'm not certain why people want it so bad either but it would certainly be interesting to see lol.

It would be good for lols, but what would you shoot it at? Lol. You wouldn't be able to track anything with that turret..it's not really a long gun, being an L/55, so sniping isn't really going to work..and it's penetration is going to be simillar to the L/48s..aka, abysmal..

It boggles the mind..

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View Postsoulspectre, on Oct 01 2010 - 08:18, said:

They're improving the maus in the next patch by including a new unique item for it, Equipment:Coffins.

it saves you time by not allowing you to join games. when you click join it says, "you'd only die horribly anyways"

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View PostDoctorJones, on Sep 29 2010 - 16:47, said:

IS-7s are not nearly as tough to beat than the IS-4s with more armor. :( The rear armor of the IS-7 is laughable.  :lol: The Maus is a good tank but MUST be supported. It will die no matter what otherwise. From the recent talks of adding multi-gun support, I would love to have the 75mm coaxial as well.  :Smile_great: I would love the increased DPS, even if it means more cost.
Yes the Maus is not a Stand Alone and win tank, hey you should be glad they increased the speed, in Real life the Maus only travled at 5K/h on roads. Also they should take off the soft spots on the front of the Maus, the Frontal Armour was not penatrable by any tank during WWII (Yes one of the Prototypes actually saw battle and knoced out a few tanks, and bounced every shot it recieved) and the IS-7 should be Nerfed since not even a Chassi was built by the End of the war, The Maus had 5 Prototypes. The 75mm coax had Greatly tightened Rifleing and was only loaded with an Early version of HEAT Shells and it penetrated every tank up to a pershing and an IS-2.

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View PostCommissionerJan, on Sep 30 2010 - 17:06, said:

View Postramp4ge, on Sep 29 2010 - 19:28, said:

That Maus would be back if they'd roll back the armor nerf.
This.

Just this one thing and (most) balancing problems would be solved.


The Tiger/King Tiger might still need a speed buff, the Panther still needs increaseed turn and turret travers speed. . .but at least it would lift the Tier 9 and 10 German tanks from loltarget status to something that people in an IS-4 or 7 actually have to think about in order to win.

And in today's WoT, where everybody and his dog has at least a 100mm cannon (OK, except those German models that are stuck with the 8,8), penetrating the somewhat stronger armour wouldn't be a problem.
The Tiger/King Tiger and the Panther need those 10k/h back. Also the King needs it 250mm Front and 180mm side armour.

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View Postgabriel, on Sep 30 2010 - 03:47, said:

That's 10 more games then you have.


Where can you see this ?

http://game.worldoftanks.com/accounts/

put the players name into the search box and BINGO! instant stats on games played , vehicles used etc etc.

Rock_Spider #49 Posted Dec 01 2010 - 08:38

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View Posttrainman164, on Dec 01 2010 - 07:35, said:

View PostDoctorJones, on Sep 29 2010 - 16:47, said:

IS-7s are not nearly as tough to beat than the IS-4s with more armor. :( The rear armor of the IS-7 is laughable.  :lol: The Maus is a good tank but MUST be supported. It will die no matter what otherwise. From the recent talks of adding multi-gun support, I would love to have the 75mm coaxial as well.  :Smile_great: I would love the increased DPS, even if it means more cost.
Yes the Maus is not a Stand Alone and win tank, hey you should be glad they increased the speed, in Real life the Maus only travled at 5K/h on roads. Also they should take off the soft spots on the front of the Maus, the Frontal Armour was not penatrable by any tank during WWII (Yes one of the Prototypes actually saw battle and knoced out a few tanks, and bounced every shot it recieved) and the IS-7 should be Nerfed since not even a Chassi was built by the End of the war, The Maus had 5 Prototypes. The 75mm coax had Greatly tightened Rifleing and was only loaded with an Early version of HEAT Shells and it penetrated every tank up to a pershing and an IS-2.

As far as I know there is not concrete evidence the maus saw any combat. If you have a link to what you have stated id love to read it.

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View PostBattledragon, on Sep 30 2010 - 05:06, said:

To be fair, the MAUS was a failure, it was far to slow and awkward, that is why the post war development of tanks followed the russian model not the German one.

Actually the development followed respective modes in whatever country, in the US, it was development of M26 line of "heavy Medium", same for Germans (Leopard 1 shows many similarities to Panther in its concept), Russia went on to replace Heavy Tank with MBT (T-64/80 line) and to continue Medium tank line (T-54/55/62/72) until in 1980s the Mediums got on the same level as MBTs with T-72B (though de facto they were MBTs all along, but the Russians distinguished between a "top notch" and "cannon fodder" tanks).
So Maus was indeed a blind path, but it was hardly the pinnacle and ultimate goal of German armored design, more like one of Porsche's "great ideas". The man could've been a genius, but that does not mean his designs would be real-world-effective...

Maus has a thick armor, potent gun combo, but generally was overdoing it. E-100 would be more mobile while with generally same protection )or better).

Anyway would be funny to have a Tier X medium tank in the form of Leopard 1 following on Panther II ;)

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View PostCentar, on Sep 29 2010 - 18:19, said:

Most of the time I see people with super heavy tanks, it immediately becomes obvious that most of those people have NO CLUE as to how to play this game. The most ridiculous example of this is the Maus, I've never seen a skilled Maus player. Same for IS-7 players but to a lesser extent. IS-7 seems to be more common so I've also seen good IS-7 players.

Typical heavy tank user:

1. Hold back, hide and camp when the main battle takes place because you're scared of artillery or whatever. After all, you can't die or shoot that many times - else you will not get your money back.

2. Once the main battle is over (almost everyone in your team is dead, particularly all the scouts), move up alone, get attacked 3 vs 1 and die, taking maximum 1 of them with you.

3. Whenever in battle, always try to KS the low health guy or kill the light tank as opposed to destroying the heavy target. Nevermind anything else, you just want to get that kill. Especially target the light tank if he's spinning around you so fast that your turret is constantly traversing and you can't even shoot. Nevermind the stationary T-34-85 and Tiger I shooting at you and your teammates in the meantime.

How to do it:

Follow the main push very close. Once people start chickening out and taking hits, take the initiative and spearhead the offensive. Your goal is not only to deal out damage, but also take hits. Consider this: Your teammates will die in 3 shots, you won't. Your goal is to make the enemy shoot those 3 shots at you instead of your friend, this way your team will have 1 more gun pointed at the enemy after each encounter.

and this comes from your experiences playing tier10 tank.

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View PostRock_Spider, on Dec 01 2010 - 08:38, said:

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View PostDoctorJones, on Sep 29 2010 - 16:47, said:

IS-7s are not nearly as tough to beat than the IS-4s with more armor. :( The rear armor of the IS-7 is laughable.  :lol: The Maus is a good tank but MUST be supported. It will die no matter what otherwise. From the recent talks of adding multi-gun support, I would love to have the 75mm coaxial as well.  :Smile_great: I would love the increased DPS, even if it means more cost.
Yes the Maus is not a Stand Alone and win tank, hey you should be glad they increased the speed, in Real life the Maus only travled at 5K/h on roads. Also they should take off the soft spots on the front of the Maus, the Frontal Armour was not penatrable by any tank during WWII (Yes one of the Prototypes actually saw battle and knoced out a few tanks, and bounced every shot it recieved) and the IS-7 should be Nerfed since not even a Chassi was built by the End of the war, The Maus had 5 Prototypes. The 75mm coax had Greatly tightened Rifleing and was only loaded with an Early version of HEAT Shells and it penetrated every tank up to a pershing and an IS-2.

As far as I know there is not concrete evidence the maus saw any combat. If you have a link to what you have stated id love to read it.
Srry its not online,all these documents are still classified to the  "for eyes only" level and they cant be photographed, the only reason i have these documents is beacuse they were passed down to me from my Great Grandfather who was assignied to the one whitch saw combat and was the diver and machanic.

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View Posttuccy, on Dec 01 2010 - 12:35, said:

View PostBattledragon, on Sep 30 2010 - 05:06, said:

To be fair, the MAUS was a failure, it was far to slow and awkward, that is why the post war development of tanks followed the russian model not the German one.

Actually the development followed respective modes in whatever country, in the US, it was development of M26 line of "heavy Medium", same for Germans (Leopard 1 shows many similarities to Panther in its concept), Russia went on to replace Heavy Tank with MBT (T-64/80 line) and to continue Medium tank line (T-54/55/62/72) until in 1980s the Mediums got on the same level as MBTs with T-72B (though de facto they were MBTs all along, but the Russians distinguished between a "top notch" and "cannon fodder" tanks).
So Maus was indeed a blind path, but it was hardly the pinnacle and ultimate goal of German armored design, more like one of Porsche's "great ideas". The man could've been a genius, but that does not mean his designs would be real-world-effective...

Maus has a thick armor, potent gun combo, but generally was overdoing it. E-100 would be more mobile while with generally same protection )or better).

Anyway would be funny to have a Tier X medium tank in the form of Leopard 1 following on Panther II ;)
If they are going to add any tank thay should add the Twin barrel version of the Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster, yes a twin 800mm version was planned.If there gonna add more Germany Artyillery they whould add the Mörser Karl, that sucker actually saw combat with its twins at Warsaw.

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TheMunster #54 Posted Dec 02 2010 - 09:28

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Maus didn't see combat for gods sake, where do you read this rubbish. The maus was in bits and minus turret when the ruskies found it. I doubt if it had been combat ready It would of taken the Russians long to bury it with artillery and destroy it anyway.

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View PostTheMunster, on Dec 02 2010 - 09:28, said:

Maus didn't see combat for gods sake, where do you read this rubbish. The maus was in bits and minus turret when the ruskies found it. I doubt if it had been combat ready It would of taken the Russians long to bury it with artillery and destroy it anyway.
Yes it did plus it never fought against the Russians, only the Americans, and its not Rubbish you people think you know every thing, the Maus had 5 Different Versions the one the Russians found was one of the 5, not the one my Great Grandfather was in.

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View Postahauschild, on Dec 02 2010 - 11:26, said:

http://www.provehicl...k_compare_r.jpg

here is a size comparison in regards to the landkreuzer and ratte. Now I like to see those on the battlefield.
nice, thats one of the many concepts of it, i like the one where it was gonna basically be a Mobile Base with a Tank Hangar for transporting its Escorts, and some other things.

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I think the maus strengths are its armour and HP.

Gun is average (really needs the 75mm coax)

Speed is laughable.
Turret traverse is terrible.

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View PostBelrick, on Dec 03 2010 - 00:59, said:

I think the maus strengths are its armour and HP.

Gun is average (really needs the 75mm coax)

Speed is laughable.
Turret traverse is terrible.
Alouth they bumped up the speed from the real life 5 K/H on smooth roads
and yes they did slow the turret Traverse

LordBlade59 #59 Posted Dec 03 2010 - 01:18

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They need to only fix one nation and that's russian's. Instead of buffing them they should nerf them so problems like this do not come around. The t34/t30 are laughable and sad . Tier 4 tanks go through the hull like paper. Yet the "Uber" gun the T30 gets is not enough to make up for its failure in armor on the hull.

The russian tier line on all aspects has been buffed and favored by the developers for some odd reason. Well the fact that the developers are russian and the russian server is live helps me to believe they favor the russian side of things.

But my hate aside the IS-4 is insanely over powered and now they are buffing its armor? IS-7 goes 50 mph?That's just insane .

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View Posttrainman164, on Dec 03 2010 - 00:56, said:

View PostTheMunster, on Dec 02 2010 - 09:28, said:

Maus didn't see combat for gods sake, where do you read this rubbish. The maus was in bits and minus turret when the ruskies found it. I doubt if it had been combat ready It would of taken the Russians long to bury it with artillery and destroy it anyway.
Yes it did plus it never fought against the Russians, only the Americans, and its not Rubbish you people think you know every thing, the Maus had 5 Different Versions the one the Russians found was one of the 5, not the one my Great Grandfather was in.

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