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[NGU873X]

babals, on Apr 28 2012 - 17:46, said:

the M62-T2 supergun breakdown value decreased by only 2mm.
the IS-4 damaged model: the mantlet thickness was increased from 200mm to 250mm, the frontal armor plate trim was increased from 58 degrees to 61 degrees.

S series is too powerful, the game unbalanced forces of other countries.

10 level of the best tanks, the first is IS-4, the second is IS-7,Perfect combination of three important elements  :Protection, Maneuvering, powerful artillery.

while other countries do not have this treatment. For shameful Russia Cheers!

This is a stupid game, I really should delete it

Good cuz nobody cares about dumb whiners

RolandVH, on Apr 28 2012 - 18:46, said:

And what smart IS-4 player will let someone shoot their side at a flat angle?

This     
still not enough

[Starzfan]

Musmulica, on Apr 28 2012 - 14:12, said:

i think 2400 is too much for IS 4 .. tank that small to have same amount as Big Ass E100 ... unfair ! and not real at all  

I would have to agree, and increasing the mantlet armor from 200mm to 250 as well as increasing the slope?  Im guessing they want this tank to be indestructable....

[Vaporous]

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Fixed some errors in the IS-4 damaged model: the mantlet thickness was increased from 200mm to 250mm, the frontal armor plate trim was increased from 58 degrees to 61 degrees.

What does this mean? Frontal armor trim increase. Does that mean more armor?

[Keifomofutu]

KV4 didn't need that nerf.  I didn't have the horsepower to use that top speed and the thing is a big target.  Ramming was the one thing that made the tank have any advantage over the IS3 at all.  Bl9 has more damage for the same accuracy and penetration on a more mobile chassis.  

You could really only get a full speed ram downhill anyway.  KV4 was balanced it shouldn't have been touched.

[NGU873X]

starzfan31, on Apr 28 2012 - 18:48, said:

I would have to agree, and increasing the mantlet armor from 200mm to 250 as well as increasing the slope?  Im guessing they want this tank to be indestructable....

So u want a tier 10 USSR heavy with paper armour cuz u believe those Russian bias whiners  

[Snohoe]

RolandVH, on Apr 28 2012 - 18:46, said:

And what smart IS-4 player will let someone shoot their side at a flat angle?

What smart T110 player would let someone get to their side / rear? (especially with your speed) See how that sounds? Also it doesn't need a flat angle, It pretty much takes the same angle anything else needs, its the same thickness as the E75s side.

[teryonbust]

The gun mantlet isnt getting buffed, the upgraded turret for the IS4 right now has 250 front armor, they're saying that in the test, it was accidentally made 200mm and now fixed to have 250mm. The mantlet refers to the armor on the front of the turret.

Edit: rather, the mantlet is where the gun is mounted. the is4 so far hasnt gotten any armor buffs, besides the extra slope on the front

[Snohoe]

starzfan31, on Apr 28 2012 - 18:48, said:

I would have to agree, and increasing the mantlet armor from 200mm to 250 as well as increasing the slope?  Im guessing they want this tank to be indestructable....

Matlet IS 250mm in 7.2, the 7.3 was a mistake and was found when people were penning it.

[NGU873X]

Adamanthys, on Apr 28 2012 - 18:55, said:

Matlet IS 250mm in 7.2, the 7.3 was a mistake and was found when people were penning it.

the cheeks are still penetrable, even a KT can penetrate them

[RolandVH]

Adamanthys, on Apr 28 2012 - 18:54, said:

What smart T110 player would let someone get to their side / rear? (especially with your speed) See how that sounds? Also it doesn't need a flat angle, It pretty much takes the same angle anything else needs, its the same thickness as the E75s side.

And what smart team wouldn't rush the T110 in his sniping spot because they know they can easily damage his sides? The moment an enemy comes from a direction that isn't his front, the T110 is doomed.

You don't even need to get to the T110's side, just let an SPG fire next to it and watch the splash do huge damage. At least the IS-4 has some protection.

[NGU873X]

RolandVH, on Apr 28 2012 - 19:03, said:

And what smart team wouldn't rush the T110 in his sniping spot because they know they can easily damage his sides? The moment an enemy comes from a direction that isn't his front, the T110 is doomed.

You don't even need to get to the T110's side, just let an SPG fire next to it and watch the splash do huge damage. At least the IS-4 has some protection.

atleast the roof isn't 30mm http://forum.worldof...ile_sceptic.gif

[Snohoe]

RolandVH, on Apr 28 2012 - 19:03, said:

And what smart team wouldn't rush the T110 in his sniping spot because they know they can easily damage his sides? The moment an enemy comes from a direction that isn't his front, the T110 is doomed.

You don't even need to get to the T110's side, just let an SPG fire next to it and watch the splash do huge damage. At least the IS-4 has some protection.

At least it has that luxury, the is4 is vulnerable on all fronts and doesn't even have the transverse to keep its front at flankers even if its front wasn't penned by any tier 8+ with hardly any aiming or tier 6+ with aiming.

I think you need to play the IS-4 to see how non-existent its front armour is cause on top of its weaknesses its slope means little at close range because of its height. This tank which is supossed to be made to brawl is forced to fight at range if you hope to bounce any rounds.

[RolandVH]

So... if the IS-4 is 'made of paper' then why do so many people think it's OP? And why would it be moved to tier 10 instead of staying at tier 9 and leading to an entirely new tier 10?

[Budenniy]

RolandVH, on Apr 28 2012 - 18:46, said:

And what smart IS-4 player will let someone shoot their side at a flat angle?

You cannot angle IS4 it's pointels it has 3 different plates and one of them WILL be flat to the shooter
with 120 mm it almost never bounces shots from front even with tier 8 guns.
as it stands now it's a td with a turret but isn't great at TDing ether.
T110 has second best frontal armor after IS7 the commander's cupola is only semi-vulnerable front spot.
And lower plate t110 can be penned with gold.

IS 4 can be penned with tier 8 gun AP reliably from the front! it can't go hull down due to crap gun depression.
and has FAR less DPM than t110. at least 13% less. T110 is also more agile and has better accuracy.

they tried to compensate with giving it HP and huge pen for gold rounds (with i find pretty lame)
The tank designers who made front of a tank it's weakest point (if it were to happen in real life) must be enemy agents and enemies of sate lol!

[Snohoe]

RolandVH, on Apr 28 2012 - 19:18, said:

So... if the IS-4 is 'made of paper' then why do so many people think it's OP? And why would it be moved to tier 10 instead of staying at tier 9 and leading to an entirely new tier 10?

You need to do some research then. Or again, play the tank. Its was considered OP (Don't see how it would now, I think the E-75 is much better for tier 9) cause its a little harder to figure out where to shoot it at low tiers. With the Germans you shoot the lower plate or side, with the old Americans you shot anywhere. But on this you have to shoot drivers plate or lower hull if you have about 175-200 pen. With 225 pen just shoot front plate, if he angles shoot the shoulder facing you. The advantage of is4? people who have no idea what they are doing will bounce, disadvantage? Unlike the germans or americans you cant just hide your weaknesses.

[Budenniy]

RolandVH, on Apr 28 2012 - 19:18, said:

So... if the IS-4 is 'made of paper' then why do so many people think it's OP?

People who think it's OP ether don't know how to play (and by that i mean they don't shoot the tank's frontal hull armor) or base their claims on technical characteristics rather than game play.

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And why would it be moved to tier 10 instead of staying at tier 9 and leading to an entirely new tier 10?

A very good question! .. indeed unless it gets boost to armor the whole idea of it is rather questionable.

[RolandVH]

Adamanthys, on Apr 28 2012 - 19:22, said:

You need to do some research then. Or again, play the tank.

And how should I play the tank, then? Should I drop everything I'm doing to grind for a tank I don't want? And don't suggest trying it on the test server; there likely wouldn't be enough time to get it and even if I did unlock and buy it the test area is a terrible environment for seeing how resilient a tank is because everyone is throwing around gold ammo.

[Snohoe]

RolandVH, on Apr 28 2012 - 19:29, said:

And how should I play the tank, then? Should I drop everything I'm doing to grind for a tank I don't want? And don't suggest trying it on the test server; there likely wouldn't be enough time to get it and even if I did unlock and buy it the test area is a terrible environment for seeing how resilient a tank is because everyone is throwing around gold ammo.

Ignore the rest of my post? Oh and all im saying is don't think you can accurately judge its armour without even playing the thing.

[Political_Malcontent]

Adamanthys, on Apr 28 2012 - 17:14, said:

So T110 users wont cry at the is4 having more pen. Its the truth.

Checked your tanks. You don't have T110 but drive Russian heavies. Guess Haters are going hate. Oh and please explain how to hide the tumor on the T110.

[Snohoe]

Political_Malcontent, on Apr 28 2012 - 19:34, said:

Checked your tanks. You don't have T110 but drive Russian heavies. Guess Haters are going hate.

Well what other conclusion can you get from them reducing the pen by 2 points? 1 less than the T110s? And what does hating have to do with it? Oh I also started to drive german heavys and prefer them now and love my T95. Love being able to hide lower plate and angle with germans and being near invincible. Same with T29 with its turret.