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Ok granted I dont have a bazillion games inmy fairly new T54 but the thing is elite. I was able to reaseach every thing before i actually bought it. I usually drive heavys and arty therefore Id say im new to the med scene. I got a buddy that drives a patton like an ace and he is teaching me how to not get killed in the first 2 min of any battle. Now i recognize the tank as a medium and do not whine about the fact that i dont seem to bounce anything. But is it me or is the gun lacking somewhat? Last game i was 78m away from the side of a JT and i bounced every round i shot at the darn thing. Must have shot it 8 times or so. I tried different spots thinking that maby im not hitting the sweet spot. The next tank i encountered was an E75. Also flanking him with no way to get behind without getting nuked. So i shot sides again. Hull, Turret, space between tracks and hull.... NOTHING. Was i just getting screwed by the RNG or is the gun just this bad?? Any info from you experienced T54 drivers would be much appreciated

You're being screwed by the RNG. The T-54's gun is equivalent to a tier 8 heavy's gun.

T-54 practically has slightly less penetration and smallest alpha compared to other mediums in its tier. This is intentional as a tradeoff for T-54 having the best mobility and maneuverability, camo rating (being mostly only lower than light tanks), and super bouncy turret and low profile giving it one of the best survivability compared to its peers.

What does RNG stand for?

ctlbulldg06, on May 01 2012 - 21:05, said:

Random Number Generator. Guns in WoT have penetration and damage per shell that can vary up to 25% higher or lower than the listed penetration and damage. The listed penetration and damage are pretty much the average.

When somebody says "you got screwed by RNG", for example, it means that you got unlucky and the game decides to roll lower than average numbers for you continuously. On the other hand, when somebody says "RNG favors you", it means that you got lucky and the game decides to roll higher than average numbers for you continuosuly.

I know the feeling.  I also notice that it seems to happen to some tanks more than others.  I stop driving my IS-7 because I sucked in it where I don't in my IS-4 just as an example. I most likely will sell it after 7.3 just in case...something does change but I'm not holding my breath.

It took me to get over it. It's quite pointless to get upset about it especially when it is quite obvious that things are the way they are for a reason.  You just have to accept it and move on.

The gun is just awful, The aim time is horrible, DPM is horrible, lowest alpha of tier 9 mediums, accuracy is awful. This tank has one redeeming quality, its a good tier9 scout.


T54 sucks, and the proof is you RARELY see them anymore.

Of all the good things said about the T-54 and the E-50 for pub matches, I see very few around..........and for all the negatives said about the Patton, I see quite a few around............any explanation for this???

Garnett101st, on May 01 2012 - 21:12, said:

Oh Garnett how did I know you would be in here crying about the T54....AGAIN lol

Guys while the gun might not be up there with the E50 or Patton, a well driven T54 will still rip the holy hell out of anything it faces, this tank USED to be easy mode many months ago, and as such got nerfed and a lot of people still want it as it was.

Play smart, play to its strengths and the T54 is still an exceptional tank.

PS. Garnett I donno what game your playing, but I still see T54's all the time

Just made the life of a MAUS horrible and turned a capping defeat into a victory, that said my only real complain is the RNG on damage , for a reason most of my shots do less damage than average.

Tolos, on May 01 2012 - 21:21, said:

You just said the T54 was under powered LOL. The is garbage, and the only way to play the T54 is to sexually rub against other tanks, Which is RETARDED. The tank WAS easy mode back before it was nerfed into the ground, and it sucks now. Which explains why you rarely see T54s.

When i play WOT later tonight, I'm gonna take pictures of my first 20 matches (tier 8 and up), just so i can prove T54's are rare. I remember saying T44 was garbage, but everyone said i was playing it wrong or i sucked, then what happened? The devs gave it a new engine and a new gun, Looks like i was right there...

@Arctander2

What German tank could be put in a tier 10 slot, with acceptable armor, speed and firepower? Tell me because i'll be GLAD to hear it. All later stage German tanks are big huge and slow, The only thing i can think of would be the E50, but that's a medium tank.

"Garnett101st, I'm curious why you're defending the value of a tank which you dramatically out perform with your other tank (You're  a pretty low 43% win rate in your E100, but a much more respectable 50% in your IS7. And yet you are arguing that the E100 doesn't need any tweaking for its value. Why do you think you struggle so much in your E100?"

I had to grind the E100 with the 128 (in pubs, which means 9/10 times the other 14 people are tards), and then i played it only in CW (My previous clan was AWFUL). While i rarely play IS7 in CW and i usually play in Pubs, I do well with it. Also i never said E100 didn't need a buff, I said the 15cm could use a slight pen buff, along with the 128.

I'm a huge German fanboy, I would love to see some buffs for German tanks, but most people are making the German tanks out to be trash, Which is laughable.

Tolos, on May 01 2012 - 21:21, said:

" You just said the T54 was under powered LOL. The is garbage, and the only way to play the T54 is to sexually rub against other tanks, Which is RETARDED. The tank WAS easy mode back before it was nerfed into the ground, and it sucks now. Which explains why you rarely see T54s. "

Please show me where I said the T54 was underpowered

Tolos, on May 01 2012 - 23:31, said:

I do not normally agree with tolos. But I can not say he is far off here, The T-54 use to be a decent tank because of its close range property's. But After the nerf it is by far slacking compared to the other tier 9 mediums.

I really think if me and tolos agree on something like this it should show people that, People that usually disagree about everything agreeing on something there must be a valid point to it.

Tolos, on May 01 2012 - 23:31, said:

"Guys while the gun might not be up there with the E50 or Patton"


That means its a tier 9 scout, that can sexually rub against other tanks to destroy them. That's the ONLY way it will destroy the enemy tanks.

I have had a T-54 since 7.0 and have tried to make it work.  It has been elite since the first time I took it out and I think I am done with it.  Sure, I have killed a Maus and IS-7, along with other tanks with it in the same game, but that was before the French tanks arrived.  With the model being enlarged and the French tanks running around, it just seem like it is food now.  I barely take mine out anymore just because it doesn't seem to be able to compete at all now.  I have seen two of them in the last week, where I was driving an AMX 13 90 in one game and a T20 in another (which was my last game before posting here).  Both are tier 7 tanks and I was able to take out the T54 with almost no effort using the AMX 13 90 and a one-on-one brawl using the T20.  To be fair in the AMX 13 90 fight the T-54 was at 100% HP or 1650 HP and a Bat Chat that I mauled with the help from a Patton, in the T20 fight the T-54 was damaged and had 1150 HP left or 70% of 1650 = 1155.  In either case, a tier 9 medium should not lose like that to a tier 7 light or medium.  I had to fight my ass off in the T20 to beat him, but I am not that good and the T-54 has better armor so it should have been able to beat me in a little T20.

I have been thinking for a couple of months of dumping the T-54 until it gets buffed, because right now it is food and isn't worth taking out.  I am close to unlocking the E-50 and a little further away on the Patton so I may try those, but I am expecting more of the same with tier 9 mediums now and have low expectations that either of those will be any better, but I suppose it is worth a try at least.  Of course I am playing the AMX 13 90 to grind up to the Bat Chat as well, but I have a ways to go on that.

I completely agree with Slenderfungus!
I have ground my way into a t-54 expecting good things and was dissappointed right from the first game.
Figuring and conversing with others, I expected that it would be a "world of difference" at ELITE status.
Well its "elited" now and the only difference is that I am more dissappointed than before.
This tank hasnt the speed of the BatChat, weaker armour than the t-50 (dont care what the stats say)
and cant pen most of the upper tier 10's and is one shotted by the majority of them
Crappiest arse gun of the tier 9 lot, and struggles with the lower tier continually if not played frontally
Sure it bounces a few, but its not nearly enough to play with the big boys!!
As for selling... its highly likely unless its brought up to playable standards
A t-50-2 looks more playable (and enjoyable) than this demoralized excuse for the mighty t-54 it once was know as.
I think my only hope is that the Dev's will add another tier 10 mid to the tree so I dont have to take a complete loss
Talk about a total and complete let down !!!!

I just got my T-54 and had it full elite before buying it and love it.....But its the only Tier 9 Medium I have at the moment....What this getting one shot bye tier 10 haven't had that yet but iv only play 2 match's in it so far.....Iv pen tier 10 learn to shot weak spots.....I figure by the time you get to Tier 9 or 10 you would,ve learn the skill by now....

Two games in it makes your input just about useless as you have little first hand knowledge.
If your reason to comment was just to belittle anothers gameplay you have succeeded.
Maybe you should take the tank out a few times and see how you love it after then.
Maybe getting a few swats by a tier 7 IS might bring you around.
You certainly havent earned the right to comment on the tanks ability in any way, shape or form.
As for weak spots, try seeing if you can pen the arse of a E-100 using its lb-1 gun,
and keep a running tally of all the same tier and higher matches you lose.
But anyone who buys an elited tank is probably using gold rounds anyways because
its appears you (or your mommy) buys your way!
Before you run your mouth, Junior, bring some facts to the table!

Gunadie, on May 02 2012 - 08:05, said:

I have a trained crew for the Chaffee sitting in my barracks, which I researched and never purchased.  Although it is a tier 5 scout, like the T-50-2, it looks like it would be more fun to play than the T-54 in its current state.  I have no expectations for the T-54 as those have long gone.  I will likely sell it this weekend after taking it out a few more times to see if I can change my tactics with it, yet again, to actually be effective.  If not, it goes and I will toss it in the memory heap with the M3 Lee and soon to be BDR G1B, both of which are junk.

bahungorden, on May 01 2012 - 20:56, said:

I haven't played the T-54, so I can't comment on that. However I do see from your stats that you played a meagre 22 games in your T-44. That's not a sufficient amount of games in what is essentially a T-54 with a bit less armor/firepower. Playing the T-44 should prepare you to play the T-54, if you didn't like the T-44 and free XP'd your way through it to the T-54, you shouldn't expect to like the T-54 because it's essentially a T-44 with a bit better everything.