30 replies to this topic

[Enaris]

Ok, I'm not good with graphics to make the nifty chart or whatever, so I'll just do it as a simple set of statements.  Still, I think it is simple enough for everyone.


So, here we go.


Is my teammate blue?
A. Yes
B. No

If A=true then you may kill at discretion.
If B=true, then do not kill.


See now, isn't that easy?

Edited by Enaris, May 05 2012 - 22:19.

[Azyren]

Don't TK.

Might have been an accident or something, but he could still be a useful asset

[rinying]

hmm.....now what happens when teammate ISNT blue yet still shooting people? can i kill him now? how bout after he kills someone yet still doesnt turn blue can i kill him now?

[Enaris]

Azyren, on May 05 2012 - 22:23, said:

Don't TK.

Might have been an accident or something, but he could still be a useful asset

That's why I put in "TK at discretion."  In other words, that's where you need to decide if it was an accident, or malice?  If it is malice, then yeah, the sooner you are rid of him, the better.  I don't believe that blue is "shoot on sight" but I've certainly got my eye on him.

rinying, on May 05 2012 - 22:24, said:

hmm.....now what happens when teammate ISNT blue yet still shooting people? can i kill him now? how bout after he kills someone yet still doesnt turn blue can i kill him now?

The system isn't perfect by any stretch, but considering the risk to your own account, it's much better let him turn blue.  The match is already lost anyway (as teams very rarely recover from that kind of griefer)

Edited by Enaris, May 05 2012 - 22:31.

[tallstar5]

If he's blue and not shooting anyone, don't shoot him. If he's blue and shooting people, shoot him. If he's not blue and shooting people with penetration/module damage, shoot him. If he's a Loltraktor shooting at the back of a Maus, leave him alone.

[Mini_Bolo]

tallstar5, on May 05 2012 - 22:33, said:

If he's blue and not shooting anyone, don't shoot him. If he's blue and shooting people, shoot him. If he's not blue and shooting people with penetration/module damage, shoot him. If he's a Loltraktor shooting at the back of a Maus, leave him alone.

If he's a Loltraktor shooting the back of a Maus, vaporize him.  He deserves it for daring to bring a Tier 1 tank into a tier 10 match.

[tallstar5]

Mini_Bolo, on May 05 2012 - 23:08, said:

If he's a Loltraktor shooting the back of a Maus, vaporize him.  He deserves it for daring to bring a Tier 1 tank into a tier 10 match.

Incorrect. He's a taint for bringing it, yes, but that doesn't mean he can't go die somewhere useful and be a moveable cover. Plus, whatever shell you use is worth infinitely more than he is.

[Enaris]

No, don't shoot them if they are a low tier in a high tier match.  Don't shoot them if they are a general pain in the butt.  Don't shoot them if you think they have an ugly camo pattern. Don't shoot them if you think they are a bot. Don't shoot them if they took your favorite sniping spot.

It is very simple.

If they aren't blue, don't shoot them.   Period.

[BandofBrothers101]

I got TKed for the, hands down STUPIDEST reason ever... I way playing in my type 59 and started brawling an IS4, when out of nowehre a M18 comes to the rear of the IS4 so I ended up hugging the front track(right side) I shot at the IS4 but it BOUNCED and hit the m18 behind it (which got it to 300HP and was still well alive) when a lowe in his clan (they werent in the same platoon) shot me 4 times in the ass and I died, because my shto freaking BOUNCED off an ENEMY IS4 and hit a god damn M18 behind it.... then i raged and he felt justified for his actions, then i raged more and left...

It's never justified to TK unless you are blue, NEVER...

[Misoski]

A lot of people cannot control their anger... Some with a slight accidental ram and no damage to both, starts shooting...

[VoltageAAV]

I just got shot 3 times in the back right at the start by a PZjadg4 while I was in my Lowe, I turn and shoot him two times, killing him while he shoots me a 4th time and I'm the one who ends up turning blue, not him.  How does that go into the equation?

[Misoski]

Killing is worse, ignore and let the system handle it and send in replays screenshots to support and use complain.

[VoltageAAV]

I was already at 60% from him and he'd just shot me a 4th time.  You honestly expect me to let him keep shooting me as opposed to killing him?  I wouldn't have shot him the 2nd time if he'd let off, but he kept on shooting me after I shot him the first time so I killed him before he could kill me.  Then I took another 3 hits from other teammates after I got marked as a TKer before I explained myself and other people backed me up in team chat.  After the 2nd shot, the person should be marked as a TKer IMO.  I can understand leeway with ramming as that often happens on accident, even the occasional accidental shot, but after shooting the same teamate twice, the benifit of the doubt goes out the window and even I've accidentially shot someone twice in the same match when zoomed in and they move in front of me.  I know accidents can happen, but they don't happen as often as griefing does.

[trolzor]

If they are minding their own business then it would be best to mind yours BUT, if they start firing and whatnot get rid of them. Even if a teammate is blue, as soon as the game starts all guns turn to that person. It's funny as hell but a bit of a waste of cover.

[carlzyy]

I never TK, even if my teammates shoot me first. I don't even rotate my turret towards them

[Exordium8]

I was top tier in my T34 in Campinovka, when a german tier 5 medium (I forget the name) shot and tracked me.

NBD, it must be an accident.

He shot me again after I repaired.

And then 5 more times. 0 damage but just tracking me.

So I TK'd him, and his buddy he was platooned with.

0 fucks given.

[maxman1]

Unfortunately, there are those so truly thick that they think a teamkiller will contribute to a game.

Example:

While on a test server, at Abbey, an M4 turned blue, then killed two tanks, myself included (I think; this was quite some time ago) in the spawn circle. When no one shoots him, I ask the reason, to which someone responds " He can still contribute" (or something to that effect, it was a while ago).

If they're blue AND shooting ally tanks, they're not going to help the team.

[Kilroy357]

The only situation in which you should TK, is when a teammate has turned blue and is still firing on his team. There are occasions, rare, when someone between a friendly in sniper mode and his target and takes an accidental shell to the ammo rack. The shooter turns blue, but should not be executed for treason in this case.

When they have turned blue and are still firing on teammates, they should be considered a threat and dealt with in the same manner as a tank on the other team. You will not (and shouldn't be) penalized for doing what needs to be done to stop the traitor from causing any more harm.

Example: I had a game about two weeks ago where about one minute into a tier 10 game, an IS3 TK'd one of our two arties. He apologized to the arty, and we were all left wondering what happened. He then TK'd the other arty under a minute later and turned blue. He then went after the attack force which was nearing the enemy base, TK'd a type 59, then put a round into the back of the T110 next to me in my patton. Enough was enough. I turned around deployed the 105's DPM on him before he could do any more damage to our tier 10. I should have done it sooner.

[Lhos]

tallstar5, on May 05 2012 - 23:11, said:

Incorrect. He's a taint for bringing it, yes, but that doesn't mean he can't go die somewhere useful and be a moveable cover. Plus, whatever shell you use is worth infinitely more than he is.

. . .   today I learned tier 10 heavies can conceal themselves completely behind a loltraktor.

Also, the sole reason I'll shoot a teammate other than if they're blue is if they undoubtedly intentionally shoot me, and even then it's in the track if I can manage it. By "undoubtedly intentionally", I mean something like they sit there and stare at me while I'm watching them, then fire on me, or they're hostile towards me in chat and then shoot me in some way I can be sure of, like if they damage a module and it says their name.

tl;dr: If I know you're being a dick on purpose I will track you and then wander off.

Edited by Lhos, May 06 2012 - 07:30.

[Atragon]

I have 3 TK's.

Usually I am shooting from a distance through shrubbery and a friendly tank comes in close ramming combat with the tank I'm shooting. It happens in battle. Now for the guy that TK's while we were in the enemies Cap circle last night or shooting off at the start of the game, thats another story.