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Mow_Mow #161 Posted Jun 07 2012 - 04:35

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You mean the gun that's being screamed at up and down the entire German tank forums as the sole reason why their precious Maus and E-100 are completely obsolete and UP and the culprit to the notion that armor is completely useless?

Right.

KnightFandragon #162 Posted Jun 07 2012 - 06:15

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View PostMow_Mow, on Jun 07 2012 - 04:35, said:

You mean the gun that's being screamed at up and down the entire German tank forums as the sole reason why their precious Maus and E-100 are completely obsolete and UP and the culprit to the notion that armor is completely useless?

Right.

Armor has always been useless for the most part...unless its being fired at from guns vastly below its tier...

Its not any one gun that is the culprit of armor uselessness, its the existance of weakspots on tanks....That M58/T62, they are not invalidating any armor that i can see...My M58 bounces plenty off of plenty...it bounces off the IS4's side absolutely no issue, its front is impervious to the thing.  The Maus/E75, I cant pen the thing in 10 shots unless its a between the legs shot, even then, it bounces a fair bit of the time, and that is if it Hits.... Maus and E100 drivers are really complaining that their tanks die?  Did they used to not?  I mean, if the Maus and E100's armor was so vastly awesome before, why were they not like 80% win rate?  They would drive around a corner and bounce rounds till kingdom come, faceroll the place and move on...now with the arrival of the M58/T62 they are complaining like their armor being penned is anything new??  So the US nerf isnt a nerf to the tank's, its a nerf to the gun?  The gun is only meh anyway, its not a very consistent gun....it isnt amazingly accurate, its not the sniper it should be...at range it bounces or misses...Its a mid range marksman rifle at best....

Okeano #163 Posted Jun 07 2012 - 09:16

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View PostMow_Mow, on Jun 07 2012 - 04:35, said:

You mean the gun that's being screamed at up and down the entire German tank forums as the sole reason why their precious Maus and E-100 are completely obsolete and UP and the culprit to the notion that armor is completely useless?

Right.
Duh! Don't you know? US tier 10 went from 276 pen since beta to 269 pen, completely obsoleting armor as we know it.

Drive_Me_Closer #164 Posted Jun 07 2012 - 22:16

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Yeah, I mentioned that on the "E100 is useless" thread.  The T30 had more penetration and higher alpha.  So how does reducing penetration make  the german armor obsolete?  Didn't see a coherent response in the thread.  

E100s suffer from the fact that russian tanks have equal or better armor frontally, better speed and better guns.  French and US tanks lack the armor and need a gun to compensate.

We all saw how the low pen, low armor low speed T9 T-34 did, yet in the german forums they want a return of that paradigm.

Garand #165 Posted Jun 07 2012 - 23:41

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I have both (is8 & M103).

I like both of them but prefer the M103.  The 103 is the better gun fighter between the two (depression, rof, aimtime).  You don't want to take hits with ether.

Oddly enough.. I prefer the is8 to the is4/7.  In the end it's all about "comfort" for me :P




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