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Imprint_ThreeStones #21 Posted May 10 2012 - 03:04

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pretty sure Is8 has it worse....

hiroshi_tea #22 Posted May 10 2012 - 03:23

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I'm largely unimpressed by the IS-8s capabilities when I play it

Vitreal #23 Posted May 10 2012 - 03:27

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From my experience. the IS-8 has horrid gun depression (-5 vs -8 on m103). german tank bad. The IS-8 armor is highly susceptible to tier 6 tanks from the front. It has horrid hp. it is wicked fast. It has easy to shoot cupolas and turret tops n bottoms can be penned by 225 pen guns from my experience. it has easier armor to hurt than the is-3. it has a decent gun. on par with the  M103. The M103 armor is very workable. the is-8 should not trust its armor at all. All in all. IS-8 is a medium tank with heavy characteristics. whereas the M103 is a heavy medium. M103 has good armor and decent mobility whereas the Is-8 has great mobility and okay armor. both are faster than the germans. and more armored than the french. nither suck like the VK4502p ausf b

Mow_Mow #24 Posted May 11 2012 - 03:44

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View PostCarbonWard, on May 10 2012 - 03:04, said:

pretty sure Is8 has it worse....

SU-85 can punch through M103's cheek armor with enough consistency to worry me. As far as I know, it can't do it to IS-8.

Edited by Mow_Mow, May 11 2012 - 03:44.


Okeano #25 Posted May 11 2012 - 03:49

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My cheeks bounce plenty tier 10 guns as long as I don't sit complete still. Sold my IS-8 today and never looking back.

TELEFORCE #26 Posted May 11 2012 - 04:02

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I think the M103 is superior to the IS-8/T-10.  I can cut through it easily from any angle as long as I don't aim for the turret.  The M103 is shorter too, I think, so it can hide better than the T-10.  I ran into a similar scenario where an IS-8 couldn't hide properly, and I was shooting his side and tracks off, while doing a lot of damage.

Mow_Mow #27 Posted May 11 2012 - 04:12

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View PostTELEFORCE, on May 11 2012 - 04:02, said:

I think the M103 is superior to the IS-8/T-10.  I can cut through it easily from any angle as long as I don't aim for the turret.  The M103 is shorter too, I think, so it can hide better than the T-10.  I ran into a similar scenario where an IS-8 couldn't hide properly, and I was shooting his side and tracks off, while doing a lot of damage.

You sure you aren't confusing IS-8 and M103? AFAIK M103 is ****ing tall. IS-8 is longer in length but shorter by height (as with most Soviet tanks)

Judging from the garage it (IS-8) appears to be about a foot or two shorter.

Edited by Mow_Mow, May 11 2012 - 04:14.


Riceygringo #28 Posted May 11 2012 - 04:15

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I think the reason why the T110 and M103 are better than their USSR counterparts is that they have alternating patches of impenetrable and very weak armor (For example, the mantlet is very thick, but cheeks are weak; same with the nose is impenetrable, but abit lower and u get very weak armor). All you have to do is move around abit and it's very easy to protect yourself, and that's not exactly hard with tanks that have the 2nd best power/weight after the Frenchies. Even a slight miss results in bouncing off the goodies.

Meanwhile, any wiggling your IS-8 and it's actually working against your pike nose. On top of that if I'm wiggling on uneven terrain my gun would go up and down due to the lack of depression.

Edit: Mow_Mow, lol, how often does a Su-85 survive more than 3 seconds in front of a M103?

7.3 made me realize how blind and noob I was back when the game was released, I haven't played since first round of Closed Beta and first thing I noticed was the quantity of Russian bias complaints still existing on the forums, and I thought "COOL! I might try the IS-7 first!"

Only when I finally got my IS-7 did I realize that, sure, for a 48% jellohead like I was Russians are OP, but in high level play, it's all about maximizing your tank's strengths and minimizing its weaknesses. And Russian tanks have no obvious strengths nor weaknesses, and I wish I really went up the German or American line first.

Edited by Riceygringo, May 11 2012 - 04:30.


Riceygringo #29 Posted May 11 2012 - 04:16

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double post

Edited by Riceygringo, May 11 2012 - 04:16.


Mow_Mow #30 Posted May 11 2012 - 04:29

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Soviet tanks have strong strengths (armor) which can't be capitalized much better by "highly skilled players" than average players. Sure, a better player will work his armor better, but its not like speed or firepower which is affected by player skill much more than armor strength is. (IMO)

Riceygringo #31 Posted May 11 2012 - 04:47

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View PostMow_Mow, on May 11 2012 - 04:29, said:

Soviet tanks have strong strengths (armor) which can't be capitalized much better by "highly skilled players" than average players. Sure, a better player will work his armor better, but its not like speed or firepower which is affected by player skill much more than armor strength is. (IMO)

A skilled T110 driver like you should have no problem with its weakspots, I have tested its armor thoroughly with my platoon mate's T110 by firing at least 50 shells from the 12.8 into it. The cheeks is almost impossible to hit past 75-100m, the strip of 225mm armor on its middle glacis is almost impossible to pen unless you are above the T110. So you are left with a lower glacis the same size as an IS-4's lower glacis, and a 200mm cupola that can only be penetrated by tier 9/10 tanks reliably.

Meanwhile, The IS-7 is a funny adversary, the only difficulty is deciding where to shoot depending on the angle, and I think that's why people have trouble with it. Frontally its lower glacis is weak, but past a certain angle you have to shoot the upper glacis. And anymore you have to shoot the sides...

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T110's armor (for me) works more on luck than on anything else. It's got strips of highly armored areas right next to weak points. On some days it will bounce everything and on other days it's like someone replaced your armor with Panzer 4 armor.

The T110's turret is also fairly weak when its not facing directly at somebody. That's the biggest frontal weakness of American tanks, I think. The Germans have sheer thickness on their turrets to help with that, though but they kinda have the same problem. Not to mention their turrets are as big as some nation's tanks...

Edited by Mow_Mow, May 11 2012 - 04:55.


Riceygringo #33 Posted May 11 2012 - 05:10

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Russian tanks also have a native advantage that they get access to a VERY useful item that has been long forgotten :P , the Removed Speed Governor.

I risked a few games and traded the extinguisher and repairkit for that and the fuel, outran a couple of T110s to prove to my friend that the IS-7 can still be viable in clan wars. But T110s are still the king of pubbies...

And funny, for your sig, I thought the IS-8 is more like the idiot who chose the mage class then accidentally put all his points into defense and tried to join the raid group disguised as a warrior.

Edited by Riceygringo, May 11 2012 - 05:31.


SilverforceX #34 Posted May 11 2012 - 05:32

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I'm going to agree with Mow_Mow here, mobility is a trait thats only an advantage to skilled players. Otherwise its just firepower and armor as the major factors.

IS-8 IS a bad tank IF you do not use its mobility advantage. I see most IS-8 drivers playing peekaboo, showing their side for easy dmg and tracking. It's completely retarded, do not do that unless you absolutely have no other options. Always attempt to flank or if you can't, then support.

Mow_Mow #35 Posted May 11 2012 - 06:42

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That sounds like an apt description too. Or a Warrior type who put all his points into dexterity so he can max out his Javelin throwing (Diablo 2)

IS-8 armor is wonky but can bounce once or twice in a blue moon.

IS-8 on a good day:D
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Edited by Mow_Mow, May 11 2012 - 06:42.


Leader_H #36 Posted May 11 2012 - 09:10

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Now this is about my m103 on a fine day...literally unscratched.

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View PostMow_Mow, on May 11 2012 - 06:42, said:

That sounds like an apt description too. Or a Warrior type who put all his points into dexterity so he can max out his Javelin throwing (Diablo 2)

IS-8 armor is wonky but can bounce once or twice in a blue moon.

IS-8 on a good day :D
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WHy the hell would you want to put points into the throwing weapons in Diablo 2 on the barbarian!?  Its swords!!! Then you get a pair of 2 handers and duel weild, then MURDER everything lol......../random post, totally off topic, but idc...

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View PostMow_Mow, on May 11 2012 - 04:12, said:

You sure you aren't confusing IS-8 and M103? AFAIK M103 is ****ing tall. IS-8 is longer in length but shorter by height (as with most Soviet tanks)

Judging from the garage it (IS-8) appears to be about a foot or two shorter.

Sorry for the confusion, I meant length-wise, not height-wise.  Height-wise, the M103 is taller.  You're right about that.

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View Post1SupremeLord1, on May 10 2012 - 02:02, said:

I have played against both tanks, M103 is so much better than the IS-8. Hide your M103 behind a rock, having the turret showing only. And, it will literally dominate the battlefield. IS-8 tends to bounce more against E-75, and takes hits bad. But, E-75 still remains the best tier 9, I believe it's OP, (I played it in beta), quite fun.

E75 was not in beta................................................................................... both tanks have there advantages and disadvantages

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View Post1SupremeLord1, on May 10 2012 - 02:02, said:

I have played against both tanks, M103 is so much better than the IS-8. Hide your M103 behind a rock, having the turret showing only. And, it will literally dominate the battlefield. IS-8 tends to bounce more against E-75, and takes hits bad. But, E-75 still remains the best tier 9, I believe it's OP, (I played it in beta), quite fun.

I played the M103 in beta, believe me, it was even more OP than the E-75 ;)




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