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Mow_Mow #41 Posted May 11 2012 - 16:02

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View PostKnightFandragon, on May 11 2012 - 10:24, said:

WHy the hell would you want to put points into the throwing weapons in Diablo 2 on the barbarian!?  Its swords!!! Then you get a pair of 2 handers and duel weild, then MURDER everything lol......../random post, totally off topic, but idc...

Actually if you max out throwing mastery and the double throw skill a Barbarian is pretty hax with the rare throwing axe/javelins ;)

Riceygringo - Yes, it used to be a T34 once but then took a WG balance patch to the turret :(

Edited by Mow_Mow, May 11 2012 - 16:02.


KnightFandragon #42 Posted May 11 2012 - 18:10

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View PostMow_Mow, on May 11 2012 - 16:02, said:

Actually if you max out throwing mastery and the double throw skill a Barbarian is pretty hax with the rare throwing axe/javelins ;)

Riceygringo - Yes, it used to be a T34 once but then took a WG balance patch to the turret :(

In Hell mode? How does one actually win d2 in Hell mode? Ive got a paladin all decked out and massivly edited to have 18400 attack and 1000+ dmg sword with almost 1K HP and 2000some defense and he sometimes gets facerolled...what would you do wearing normal gear with a normal weapon that doenst have prevent monster heal on it lol.  It takes me like a minute to kill some mobs with 1K dmg, normal is like 200 dmg....lol

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WHat does this have to do wit hthe IS8/m103? well, nothing....but going off topic is fun...lol.

Edited by KnightFandragon, May 11 2012 - 18:11.


Nishith #43 Posted May 11 2012 - 18:16

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View PostMow_Mow, on May 10 2012 - 02:15, said:

Tier 6 mediums can't penetrate IS-8's turret. Tier 6 mediums can penetrate M103's turret. (frontally in both cases)
Since when can Tier 6 meds pen 250+ armor? Stop exaggerating, the M103 turret is fine!

Mow_Mow #44 Posted May 11 2012 - 19:29

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View PostKnightFandragon, on May 11 2012 - 18:10, said:

In Hell mode? How does one actually win d2 in Hell mode? Ive got a paladin all decked out and massivly edited to have 18400 attack and 1000+ dmg sword with almost 1K HP and 2000some defense and he sometimes gets facerolled...what would you do wearing normal gear with a normal weapon that doenst have prevent monster heal on it lol.  It takes me like a minute to kill some mobs with 1K dmg, normal is like 200 dmg....lol

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WHat does this have to do wit hthe IS8/m103? well, nothing....but going off topic is fun...lol.

That's because the only thing that can solo hell mode is Hammerdin with Enigma rune armor (laugh)

View PostNishith, on May 11 2012 - 18:16, said:

Since when can Tier 6 meds pen 250+ armor? Stop exaggerating, the M103 turret is fine!

<armor>
<armor_1> 127 </armor_1> //Front Armor
<armor_2> 137 </armor_2>
<armor_3> 127 </armor_3> //Side Armor
<armor_4> 51 </armor_4> //Rear Armor
<armor_5> 70 </armor_5>
<armor_6> 114 </armor_6>
<armor_7>101.6</armor_7>
<armor_8> 51 </armor_8>
<armor_9> 25 </armor_9>
<armor_10> 0 </armor_10>
<armor_11> 40 <noDamage> true </noDamage></armor_11> //Likely rangefinders
<surveyingDevice> 40 </surveyingDevice> //Scopes
</armor>
<primaryArmor>armor_1 armor_3 armor_4</primaryArmor>

Tell me where the 250mm armor is on the M103's turret besides the gun?

Here are two 0.7.2 replays showing M103 being tested against 144/167 penetration guns. T-34-85 has 175mm D10T which is where I took the statement (tier 6 medium) from, as D10T is better than SU-85's 107mm in penetration.

http://www.mediafire...0236bd3ei5vs3r4

VirgilHilts #45 Posted May 11 2012 - 19:40

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View PostNishith, on May 11 2012 - 18:16, said:

Since when can Tier 6 meds pen 250+ armor? Stop exaggerating, the M103 turret is fine!


I have penetrated the M103 turret with both the 90MM M3 and the 76MM M1 on the M4 Sherman and the M18 Hellcat.

It's one of the main reasons my M103 is sitting in the garage, not being run.

No, the M103 turret is not "fine", it is not even close to "fine". It's not much better than the hull that is made from ammunition racks.

Riceygringo #46 Posted May 11 2012 - 20:09

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Can I trade my IS-8 for your M103? ;)

KnightFandragon #47 Posted May 11 2012 - 20:49

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View PostMow_Mow, on May 11 2012 - 19:29, said:

That's because the only thing that can solo hell mode is Hammerdin with Enigma rune armor (laugh)


Ok, where do Runes come from? Ive seen none that are any good yet.....and what is Hammerdin!?  O.o  Dang, so much I still havent figured out in D2....lol....

As for M103.....Did you guys all get dealt M103s made on a monday? When they were waiting for thier new shipment of metal plates and so they used plastic?  of course, when im in WoT I always run into all the big shit...so I dont get to face the small stuff....EVER....being penned by stuff taht low...yeah thats depressing....

Edited by KnightFandragon, May 11 2012 - 20:52.


Mow_Mow #48 Posted May 11 2012 - 21:02

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Hammerdin is an online term for Paladin class who maxes magic hammer + stacks + to skill level equipment, "Enigma" runeword allows teleport (sorceress skill) to be used on any class...  and only very few monsters in Hell difficulty have immunity to magic hammer so all you do is teleport in and spam your 10,000 damage piercing hammers and warp away and laugh:P

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View PostRiceygringo, on May 11 2012 - 20:09, said:

Can I trade my IS-8 for your M103? ;)

I have both :)  I like my M103, it plays much like the old T34 but the extra pen really helps.  I just miss having a turret mantlet that could stop things.  I just get annoyed that the devs seem to focus lots of attention on the russian line to ensure it had "historical" armor but ignore the 10' gun shield on the M103.  For all the aggressive sloping on it and the T110 they don't seem to bounce things nearly as often as they should.

Okeano #50 Posted May 11 2012 - 22:51

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View PostVirgilHilts, on May 11 2012 - 19:40, said:


I have penetrated the M103 turret with both the 90MM M3 and the 76MM M1 on the M4 Sherman and the M18 Hellcat.

It's one of the main reasons my M103 is sitting in the garage, not being run.

No, the M103 turret is not "fine", it is not even close to "fine". It's not much better than the hull that is made from ammunition racks.
No, it's not immune anymore like T32, and I can't just poke my head out and laugh at them. But it still bounces plenty as long as they don't have a good aim on it.

VirgilHilts #51 Posted May 11 2012 - 22:57

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View PostOkeano, on May 11 2012 - 22:51, said:

No, it's not immune anymore like T32, and I can't just poke my head out and laugh at them. But it still bounces plenty as long as they don't have a good aim on it.

Anything is good provided your opponent is crap and can't aim.

Given the T32 is a tier VIII, and the M103 is a tier XI, the turret of the M103 should be at least as good as the second turret on the T32. It should be at least as good as the second turret on the T34 was, or close to it. Especially considering the hull armor is not much better than the T34 was, and the entire tank is made out of ammunition rack hit boxes. In effect, what we got was 21MM more penetration, which isn't that reliable, a less armored turret, and a tank that has ammunition rack hit boxes behind damned near every piece of armor on it.

Okeano #52 Posted May 11 2012 - 23:07

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T34 turret gets pen'ed with aim too.

Riceygringo #53 Posted May 12 2012 - 00:18

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View PostOkeano, on May 11 2012 - 23:07, said:

T34 turret gets pen'ed with aim too.

And what % of the pubbie population is smart enough to do that? I know everyone goes around screaming "IS-4 shoulders are weak when angled" but I had maybe 2 tanks shoot there in 200 games...

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View PostOkeano, on May 11 2012 - 23:07, said:

T34 turret gets pen'ed with aim too.

Going to go out on a limb and say by sheer thickness, the strongest side of the M103 turret outside the gun is 10mm thicker than the weakest side of the T34 turret. (137mm of front vs. 127mm of side) T34 actual turret front outside the mantlet is 178mm thickness where as M103 has 137mm. 279mm of mantlet vs. 250mm mantlet (T34 vs. M103)

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M103 is better than the IS8.  Faster firing, more accurate gun with slightly lower damage.  The IS8 has speed...IS7 type speed, slow accelleration.  M103 climbs hills faster and accellerate's faster which I find more useful in game than speed that only happens when going downhill or on a flat road.  M103 has better armor and way better gun depression allowing it to fire showing less of a target,  I have both and I prefer the M103 in all situations.  That said I'll keep the IS8 because it's a fun tank too.

Riceygringo #56 Posted May 12 2012 - 02:37

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View PostBluntbone, on May 12 2012 - 00:53, said:

M103 is better than the IS8.  Faster firing, more accurate gun with slightly lower damage.  The IS8 has speed...IS7 type speed, slow accelleration.  M103 climbs hills faster and accellerate's faster which I find more useful in game than speed that only happens when going downhill or on a flat road.  M103 has better armor and way better gun depression allowing it to fire showing less of a target,  I have both and I prefer the M103 in all situations.  That said I'll keep the IS8 because it's a fun tank too.

There's only about a .5 power to weight ratio difference, and I'm running a removed speed governor on my IS-8 which provides me with an extra 1.5 hp/ton, easily outrunning the M103 if need be.

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I don't mind paper tank. I mind paper tank with no gun depression (or French burst). I was in my IS-4 with less than 800 HP when an full HP IS-8 charged me. After taking a shot I just side/face hugged him. There was literally nothing he could do since he couldn't aim down at my hull.

Riceygringo #58 Posted May 12 2012 - 03:26

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View PostOkeano, on May 12 2012 - 03:04, said:

I don't mind paper tank. I mind paper tank with no gun depression (or French burst). I was in my IS-4 with less than 800 HP when an full HP IS-8 charged me. After taking a shot I just side/face hugged him. There was literally nothing he could do since he couldn't aim down at my hull.

2 Russians facehugging...is just fail...

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View PostRiceygringo, on May 12 2012 - 03:26, said:

2 Russians facehugging...is just fail...
I killed him just fine lol.

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M103 dosent have an instaboom ammo rack right where most people aim.




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