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[Ttylerrocks4u]

So i was browsing around between all the british forums on the centurian all of them are interesting but really are not showing any statistics.

People been saying that this tank is going to dominate the game as far as mediums.

Well i honestly have to say that if the enter in and have centurian mark 5 or centurian 5/2 this will disrupt things greatly.

Now this was developed within the time frame that the game follows.

http://www.scalework...mk5sd_title.JPG

this is a small replicated model version of this tank.
It was very modernized in design.

Now i dont know exactly what armor values they are gonna use for this tank as wargaming likes to make up numbers sometimes.
If any people are good with how angles and what that means for amor values go ahead and leave your input. If i was to do a comparison i would compare its armor to be something simliar to the t-54 or patton.

Now the gun however is a different story altogether.
This is have found historical data for that i wish to share.

The top gun for this tank if this is chosen to be the teir 9 british will have the famous 105 mm L7 gun.
Now this by all rights is a very modernized gun in fact is still used today by many of the main battle tanks as different variants these can be found on the t 54 and 55.

So lets get some stats going.

This gun is said to be able to at a maximum shoot 10 rounds a minute.
source for this is from wikipedia but this website has since been monitered with great references and very accurate sources.
http://en.wikipedia....yal_Ordnance_L7

Specification

• Calibre: 105 mm (4.13 in)
  
• Cartridge: 105×607 mm R, 105×617 mm R
  
• Barrel length: 52 calibres
  
• Weight: 1,282 kg (2,826 lbs)
  
• Length: 5.89 m (19.3 ft)
  
• Rate of fire: 10 rounds per minute (maximum)

Then the ammo it can shoots is as follows

Ammunition Available

• APDS
  
• APERS-T ("Anti-personnel-tracer")
  
• APFSDS: 1,475 m/s
  
• Dummy
  
• HE: 1,174 m/s
  
• HEAT
  
• HESH: 737 m/s
  
• Smoke-White phosphorus incendiary
  
• Target Practice
  
• Target Practice Discarding Sabot

Now of course from the above ammo selections we can deduct some of them like the target practice and dummy rounds.
Which leaves us with just couple that they will choose from. These specifically

HESH: 737 m/s
HE: 1,174 m/s
APFSDS: 1,475 m/s
APDS
HEAT

Now if they use anything close to these or its specifications for how many times this is gonna shoot.
You are going to start seeing some hate threads and op threads. I mean a 105 that shoots even 9 shots a minute. With pentration according to some of these rounds with there accelerations somewhere in the range of 200mm-300mm if not more is going to kill.

So ill leave the rest to you guys and experts on this I just wanted to provide this for you.
I already have 500k saved to get either the top teir british heavy or medium its going to be exciting.


UPDATE:  omg haha its been confirmed the top teir centurian that will be in the british will be a combination of mark 5 to 9 so this definitely going to be interesting please refer here http://forum.worldof...ish-are-coming/

Edited by Ttylerrocks4u, May 28 2012 - 20:46.

[DC1121]

It will be "balanced" just like every other tank in the game. Why would it really be any; or much different to the top gun on the Patton we currently have.

[Ttylerrocks4u]

 DC1121, on May 10 2012 - 00:03, said:

It will be "balanced" just like every other tank in the game. Why would it really be any; or much different to the top gun on the Patton we currently have.

because if im correct the pattons 105 is variant american licensed version of the 107 the british had. There are differences though between the countries and how they built that gun though. The british Created and harnessed it to its full extent. I Dont think they will make it so it can shoot 10 rounds a minute but i dont think they will make it only shoot like 6.5 rounds a minute either. It would have to be if i was to guess somewhere between 7 to 9 rounds a minute. which compared to the other top teir 9 tanks is crazy.
and actually looking the the t 54 they never added the 105 it was a 100 that shoots at about 7.5 rounds a minute. So if this thing is a little bit bigger and can compete with the t 54 with more damage i would think it be lethal

[Ogopogo]

One problem when looking up information on the 105mm is, you have to keep in mind the ammunition and the date which it was created


As an example I posted in the chieftain tank thread.

L-15 steel 340mm at 2km (1965)
L-23 tungsten 450mm at 2km (1983) -most common round in the British cold war arsenal in 80s
L-26 DU 530mm at 2km (1991)
L-27 DU 720mm at 2km (1999)


All the rounds were fired from the same gun, so when you look at a gun with an even longer life, you are going to have to dig up older records of the gun's performance. As we are constantly making advancements in explosives that would be used in the round and propellant, it would be hard to tell from modern numbers.

[Ttylerrocks4u]

 Ogopogo, on May 10 2012 - 01:04, said:

One problem when looking up information on the 105mm is, you have to keep in mind the ammunition and the date which it was created


As an example I posted in the chieftain tank thread.

L-15 steel 340mm at 2km (1965)
L-23 tungsten 450mm at 2km (1983) -most common round in the British cold war arsenal in 80s
L-26 DU 530mm at 2km (1991)
L-27 DU 720mm at 2km (1999)


All the rounds were fired from the same gun, so when you look at a gun with an even longer life, you are going to have to dig up older records of the gun's performance. As we are constantly making advancements in explosives that would be used in the round and propellant, it would be hard to tell from modern numbers.

yeah they always update them rounds and have differenct characteristics for different makes and models of the guns.

[DC1121]

Just as an aside, i think this tank will play similar to the E50.  Thats how i envisage it.

[danredda1616]

Maybe this could be why they may be adding tier X mediums?? With this being the british one.

[Ogopogo]

 danredda1616, on May 10 2012 - 02:28, said:

Maybe this could be why they may be adding tier X mediums?? With this being the british one.

It is more because tournaments and clan wars are dominated by tier 10 heavies. Regardless the centurion mk1 will likely become tier 8, mk3 tier 9, and either one of the later marks or the FV4201 as the tier 10.

[Ttylerrocks4u]

 Ogopogo, on May 10 2012 - 02:40, said:

It is more because tournaments and clan wars are dominated by tier 10 heavies. Regardless the centurion mk1 will likely become tier 8, mk3 tier 9, and either one of the later marks or the FV4201 as the tier 10.

yeah the mark 3 also had the 105

[Ttylerrocks4u]

it was to replace the 20 pounder

[Ogopogo]

 Ttylerrocks4u, on May 10 2012 - 05:25, said:

yeah the mark 3 also had the 105

It was the mark 5/2 that was the tank that first had the 105mm. The mark 1 and 2 had the 17 pounder, but when the mark 3 was created all earlier models were either upgraded with the 20 pounder, or made into ARVE's. A similar story when the Mark 5 was made.

[Redwing6]

I expect it to be a "heavy" medium, with oustanding acc for sniping.

[aPyro_]

i hope its as good as the T-54. Please give it good agility, armor and speed and make it a proper med WG.

Not paper like the patton

Not overweight like the E-50

plz plz

[Elsior]

 aPyro_, on May 20 2012 - 15:24, said:

Not overweight like the E-50

plz plz

I thought you always thought all German tanks are OP? So now you're saying E-50 is overweight and not a proper medium.

Explain plz plz

[Ttylerrocks4u]

its confirmed there will be mark 5 in game

[Dunewarrior]

i think for tier 8, stock gun is 17lb, top gun is 20lb, for tier 9 20lb gun is stock, L7 105mm is top gun.
I expect the L7 105mm to get maybe 7rpm, with 230ish pen, but only 300 dmg.

Just extrapolating from existing trends. We'll see how close I get.

Personally, I'm going to use it anyways.

[_Hawkeye_]

 aPyro_, on May 20 2012 - 15:24, said:

i hope its as good as the T-54. Please give it good agility, armor and speed and make it a proper med WG.

Not paper like the patton

Not overweight like the E-50

plz plz

If historical accuracy is ever important to the devs, it should be significantly better than the T54, as in it can take on 2 or 3 T54 at once and win

[daffy678]

Here you go, this one is at Australian War memorial, Canberra.

Edited by daffy678, May 30 2012 - 12:38.

[NTRabbit]

For those who don't know, that Australian Centurion is a Mk 3 armed with the QF 20pdr - so more or less what the tier 8 ingame Centurion will look like