57 replies to this topic

[Hartziel]

Stinkey, on May 10 2012 - 01:10, said:

I don't know about you, but I sure am tired of people whining about those of us who purchase gold, gold rounds, premium tanks, etc.   Stop complaining about the 1% and go out there and make your own money to spend how you desire.  You people sound as ridiculous as the Occupy movement.....

If I bring out my Lowe, removed!  If I kick your removed with Gold Rounds in a pub match, you deserved to lose that tank.  If you can't beat a Tier 8 premium, get a tier 9 tank, just stop whining, accept what you have and make the most of it.

Have a nice day!  


Cursing and profanities no allowed. Warned
-carves

listen you 1% would be bored to death and unable to play, if there are not 99% orther players ! so first of all : thank the 99% other players to make this game possible. and with your 1 % you finance only the wealth of the devs and nothing more  !

[Phantombari78]

Thanks for losing.  we apprecaite your sacrifice for the 1%.  The fact that you are willing to give up your tank life so that we can have fun is most generous.  This gesture is saving me gold rounds.

Edited by Phantombari78, May 10 2012 - 15:25.

[Jovialmadness]

Hartziel, on May 10 2012 - 15:08, said:

listen you 1% would be bored to death and unable to play, if there are not 99% orther players ! so first of all : thank the 99% other players to make this game possible. and with your 1 % you finance only the wealth of the devs and nothing more  !

Na.  We 1% would just shoot each other and finance wargaming ourselves.  The other 99% are too busy Illegally camping in tents at base and breaking every known game law that allows for a team victory.  

Down with the 99% occupiers!!!!!  Go elitist scum!!!!

Tbh I don't even know if I'm in the 1%.  I just wanted to act elitist for my own enjoyment.

[SMScannonfodder]

WarCannon, on May 10 2012 - 01:29, said:

i agree

I agree with your agee

[lost4now]

thejoker91, on May 10 2012 - 01:25, said:

Please tell me how you can pay to win. Because I can tell you, you cant. You can throw around all the gold you want but in the end, a poor player will still be poor. Gold ammo doesnt compensate shitty aiming.

When one person has to pay to gain an advantage or equal footing vs another player.
It's not a hard concept.  The assumption is both are of equal skill.

Noob + gold > Noob + reg rounds
Pro + gold > Pro + reg rounds

Same for consumables.

Easy enough for you?
The ONLY time things are on "fair" playing field is:

Reg vs Reg rounds = Gold vs Gold

To sum it up...............................
Player A:  Of course why play with reg when you can buy gold and get an advantage?
Player B: Great, he bought gold rounds, now I have to buy them if I want to win.

In the end, WG wins.   Player? Could of just use regular rounds.  

[Hugh979]

How many more threads do we need bemoaning the lack of respect for the poor Wallet Warrior? Most of them(like this POS) start out acting like Wallet Warriors are the target of daily attacks in the forums. Right now, I count three separate threads on page one with the credit card brigade doing their Rodney Dangerfield schtick and ZERO started by anyone saying anything negative about the pay2win crowd.Some might find it suspicious that a group that isn't under fire feels the need to plead their case so often and vehemently. Get over yourselves. Most of us don't really care what you spend your money on but the attention wh*ring is getting beyond tedious. Maybe a more appropriate term would be Wallet Whiners.

[SeanPwnery]

Gold purchasers, users and premium account holders are way more than 1% .. more like 51% making them the majority.

Problem is, most games, like this, and almost every Call of Duty title to date, appease the 49% of the whiners and complainers and crybabies who demand blanket nerfs rather than changing their playstyle. These are typically the same people who didn't even buy the game they're complaining about (or in WoT's case, never spent a dime on premium or gold anything).

It's whatever ... like Hugh above me says, the incessant whining threads about Wallet vs Welfare warriors is old.

Just shut up and play.

[Skpstr]

Stinkey, on May 10 2012 - 01:19, said:

This game is designed to have real cash spent on it.  How can that be a disadvantage?  What you are surmising is that everyone should be treated equally.  That is impossible and has been shown to fail consistently throughout history.

Not impossible. Remember, we are talking about a game here. Some form of chess has been played by many major civilisations throughout history. Completely fair for both sides, and its still around.

[Damonvile]

Hugh979, on May 10 2012 - 17:08, said:

How many more threads do we need bemoaning the lack of respect for the poor Wallet Warrior? Most of them(like this POS) start out acting like Wallet Warriors are the target of daily attacks in the forums. Right now, I count three separate threads on page one with the credit card brigade doing their Rodney Dangerfield schtick and ZERO started by anyone saying anything negative about the pay2win crowd.Some might find it suspicious that a group that isn't under fire feels the need to plead their case so often and vehemently. Get over yourselves. Most of us don't really care what you spend your money on but the attention wh*ring is getting beyond tedious. Maybe a more appropriate term would be Wallet Whiners.

Why do you click on the threads then ?

edit double quoted

Edited by Damonvile, May 10 2012 - 17:20.

[Bribarian]

The idea of special tanks, camo, extra garage slots, etc. is fine to buy.

When the game gets ruined is when they inject pay to win things like extra damage shells and consumables.

Edited by Bribarian, May 10 2012 - 18:51.

[KilgorSoS]

The fact is there are far more accusations of GOLD ammo in game then actual GOLD ammo being shot. I use standard AP 99.99% of the time, and yet get accused of shooting Gold quite often, especially when I AIM and get that beloved ammo rack, "Blowed-Up"   I have premium tanks, and I have had a premium account, but spending Real Money for ammo is outside of my ideals for a game. If some choose to use them in pubs then so be it. I am amazed at the number of whiney players who want to have it all with F2P, and refuse to accept the simple fact that WG must offer "Perks" to those who choose to spend money on the game. I had great success with my IS3, IS4, JT, Ferdi, etc, etc and those particular tanks have THOUSANDS of battles and FAR MORE kills then battles, and HUGE damage/battle stats, and yet those have NEVER had a Gold round fired thru them. EXCEPT my JT, it has 3 Gold rounds on hand to deal with T95's if needed, that's it. My IS3, and IS4 have NEVER had a Gold round loaded or fired. So IMHO there should be NO CRYING about Gold ammo. Premium accounts do not affect the enemy tanks in battle, and merely benefit the player with higher XP/Creds, anyone who whines is in need of a bottle, and a time out.

I agree with the OP, F2P players should be grateful for what they have, and accept the fact that they would have NOTHING if it werent for the players who spend money.

[burningsteppes]

Skpstr, on May 10 2012 - 17:19, said:

Not impossible. Remember, we are talking about a game here. Some form of chess has been played by many major civilisations throughout history. Completely fair for both sides, and its still around.

I agree with the point you are trying to make, but your reference is in fact kinda wrong. The advantage of the first move given to white is not a small thing, especially at high levels of play. Take that for what you will.

On topic, I have no issue with premie tanks (I do have some small issues with WGs implementation of them but... whatever *shrug*). Gold rounds in a pub on the other hand...

[ledhed14]

When you can buy skill at playing the game in the store,  then I will say its unfair.
Everyday - premium using gold round firing players get farmed by non premium game users who know gold rounds can only penetrate what they HIT.
So they make it a point to assume EVERYONE is shooting gold.
And just go about using skill gains by using hours instead of cash to harvest premiums.
I remarked yesterday to my clanmate who was doing 70 k credit games in his 103 while I did 60k in my Lowe ..Wtf?
He said " play well or it cost too much "..
Well duh to me ...take a look at my premium tank stats ..
All the proof you need that skill is not for sale.

[ChineseDriveBy]

Stinkey, on May 10 2012 - 01:10, said:

I don't know about you, but I sure am tired of people whining about those of us who purchase gold, gold rounds, premium tanks, etc.   Stop complaining about the 1% and go out there and make your own money to spend how you desire.  You people sound as ridiculous as the Occupy movement.....

If I bring out my Lowe, removed!  If I kick your removed with Gold Rounds in a pub match, you deserved to lose that tank.  If you can't beat a Tier 8 premium, get a tier 9 tank, just stop whining, accept what you have and make the most of it.

Have a nice day!  


Cursing and profanities no allowed. Warned
-carves

gold rounds should be banned in pub games. other than that im fine with anyone spending money

[wade_gaskins]

I buy gold for premium. Yes I have used gold rounds but found that was a waste of gold (just wanted to try them). Yes I have a lowe but I still have to use skill to be any help to the team. I would hope everyone will at some point spend money on this game to keep it going. If no one at all spent money do you think this game would be here? I think not. I have been shot many times by gold rounds in a pub and I think to myself "This guys pockets are deeper than mine." I don't whine about it I just warn the rest of the team that "joe blow" is shooting rounds and watch them die quick. I also like that sometimes when I am shot by gold rounds that they bounce. Now that is just grand

Edited by wade_gaskins, May 10 2012 - 19:48.

[ledhed14]

I use premiums and try to have a premium account if affordable.
The other night grinding 3x or 5x I had a mastery one - 100k plus KV5. Match ..
I copy paste it on clan chat.
One of the guys asked I am guessing innocently " did you use gold rounds "..
My first reaction was to get really pissed off ...
..So I return with " why "?..afraid to type much more with steam comming from my ears.
" They are on sale 1/2 price really cheap for 107 mm it actually will pen something " came back as an answer ..
No ..no gold never thought about it for a KV5 ...
I started off in this game so broke ass I had to borrow money to afford internet.
I played at least first 3k matches while out disabled from work.
Used the game for phys therapy and mental health ..
I ain't cheap ..but being so broke is scary shit at my age ..shit for ANY age.
So forgive me if it didn't seem logical to shoot money at tanks when I was busy searching old clothes for some change ..
Once I got back working I started paying back the game and all the guys who helped me hang in it.
So from clan wars I know about gold and gold rounds and how and when they are useful.
I also know in this game players who do pubs with nothing else loaded but gold.
I do not see them doing better than any of the guys who like me have to wait until payday to see if they will buy premium time.
In fact if you believe efficiency rating means anything one guy is 675 with 10k plus games..
The other Gold enthusiast is 770 ...he claims 75 mm gold rounds on German konish do more damage or some such ..
But he is another gold ammo only user ...acc btw is 46%..
And he has 211 total arty matches.
I am guessing these guys are not the only gold only players.
I did some math ..in my high tiers I am lucky to get 5-8 shots a match.
I hit in high seventy % with high tiers or above.
If the shells cost 10 gold say,  I already know I wasted 30 gold a match about.
Guys think about it ..its frigging expensive.
I play 8-10 matches on a work week night ..
Your talking real money and it doesn't compute in my mind as you can get five kills with your gold and lose anyway.
Wtf is the point?
The game rewards team wins.
Unless gold rounds give you a shield along with pen ..your one guy and for the money your spending - you can't even say your going to win,  a M3 stuart can spot you and arty drops a nuke ..all the gold in the game won't save you.
I have a good idea if my Pershing is peeking over a crest and its turret penetration time,  that someone fired a gold round at me.
Lately I figure everyone is using them,  just to be safe.
So I play like anything can pen ..and use HP for armour ..
But with these new guns - who needs gold?
Go read thread on power creep ..what tank can't be killed with 250 plus penetration guns?

[Boxhawk]

Jovialmadness, on May 10 2012 - 15:28, said:

Na.  We 1% would just shoot each other and finance wargaming ourselves.  The other 99% are too busy Illegally camping in tents at base and breaking every known game law that allows for a team victory.  

Down with the 99% occupiers!!!!!  Go elitist scum!!!!

Tbh I don't even know if I'm in the 1%.  I just wanted to act elitist for my own enjoyment.

I refer you to Groucho Marx:   "Please accept my resignation. I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member".

[thejoker91]

Robbyx, on May 10 2012 - 01:41, said:

Because you are obviously new to online gaming, i will be nice and explain "pay 2 win".

Pay to win is a general term used to describe any game that offers a real advantage over other players for real cash.
It does not imply actually "winning", any advantage that you can only get from real life cash, and is not readily available to all players in some form is "pay to win", ie: gold ammo.
WG did a good job offering premium tanks that can be bought for cash, but are balanced and certainly not more powerful than same tier tanks that can be gained through the "grind" in game.


Pay to win is a disgusting blight in online gaming, and usually points to a quick "cash grab" type game ( there are exceptions), we as players should reject it at every turn.

After putting some thought into this, I realized that you can get gold from CW and therefore this game cant be pay to win, because everything you can pay to get, you can also get it doing CW. Is it hard? yes, but its supposed to be hard.

This game cant be considered pay to win everything you can get with cash you can also get it with CW gold.