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I killed an IS-3 in my 90....with stock gun..

First of all, good job AznTank7 stock gun is the same as the top gun of the 75, and i know how it feels (i haven't gotten to the 1390 yet but if its half as decent as the 75 i will be very happy ) and no, if the AMX 13 90 is equal to the 13 75, then it will be better than all three. Also, considering how you haven't even gotten to the 12t, i'm assuming you posted this because an AMX 13 90 driver wiped out your entire team? or maybe you had a game where your team had a ton of AMX drivers and they all got killed? one thing i realized was that everyone expects you to scout in a french tank, and many play it like one. Keep in mind that the AMX tanks cannot scout, they wont last 2 seconds if they did. they are designed to ambush heavies from the back while they are distraced(trading shots with a allied MAUS in front).

Never driven a french tank, but I just got raped 1v1 by an AMX 13 90 while in my T29...

If you are judging which on is better on the basis of which tank can consistently help its team win the 13/90 is much better than any of the other 3.

lazeSAM, on May 14 2012 - 14:11, said:

Wow. You have the lowest overall win rate I have ever seen. Which is a TOTAL rip-off because obviously you know what you're talking about.

**COUGH**
Edited by Ironlight, Jun 29 2012 - 19:26.

I have the AMX 75.  I plan on getting the 90.  I found that the 75 to be a good scout but not like the others.  Most of those light tanks scout and died within a few moment in the game.  I generally scout a area and leave immediately.  I may take a lot of hits but i do survive.  Most of the time I use it as a tank killer.

The 13 90 is worlds better. Neither the Chaffee, VK2801 nor T-50-2 can decimate tier 10s like the 13 90.

The AMX 13 90  is a better med than a light, I even get owned every once in a while by one in my Patton, their best advantages are speed, and dealing insane amounts of dmg in seconds, I think it should be a med, not a light, just too powerful. Im scared to get too close to one with my Patton XD

seriously whats up with everyone mentality of french light tanks being scouts or more specifically suicide scout. The French lights are the medium tank line for the French tech tree so how can you even compare it to tanks built as the main purpose of being balanced as a scout?

Here is a game I had today, traded shots with Chaffee, he died.  I was still at 80% or so, went on to kill two arties and an IS-8.  The Chaffee is a great tank, as well as all others mentioned, I respect them, just don't fear any other light tank.

I have a 13/90 and a VK2801 mastered.  There is no way you can really compare a 13/90 it can devestate heavy and medium tanks at the most opportune moments.  I have killed some 13/90's with my VK2801 solo, but usually I chalk that up to a dumb 13/90 driver or some dumb luck.  Unless I track you, you should be able to make a run for some friendly help.  If your that far away from any friendly then you are a dumb 13/90 driver.  I do use the 13/90 to scout as well, but I'm more conservative when I do, then in the VK.

my personal best killing a lorraine with my t50-2

Skraeling, on Jul 06 2012 - 17:36, said:

I killed 2, Bat chats with my Vk2801 in a single battle.  I will admit when we started fighting their attention was on another tank.  But it wasnt long until it was just me and them.  First one went down early, and I must have damaged the seconds gun or a combination of him having to reload.  Because he only fired once or twice.  It was like a 2200 experince battle with no bonus.  Was lucky I admit, but was epic regardless.

GRB_Duck, on May 14 2012 - 14:31, said:

awesome dig from the past. I remember when that was posted!

Any tank is lethal.  The chaffee tears up 13-90's because it is a tier 5 end of line light tank that costs more money to play than the average tier 7 and earns less credits than the average tier 5.

Anyone saying that you shouldn't scout with an AMX 13 90 should think twice. With enhanced optics, that tank has 440m active view range. Yes, you see farther than 90% of the tanks in the game. Combine this with your awesome speed and you are a good scout. HOWEVER, do not rush in and die, do what is called "smart scouting".

If the enemies are too close (there are too many that popped up), retreat immediately and relocate to another side. STAY ALIVE.

But the AMX 13 90 is arguably better in all aspects than the tier V lights... except for the T-50-2 which outshines it in nimbleness.

thundersaver, on Jun 30 2012 - 14:23, said:

One should hardly ever intentionally be a "suicide" scout in any tank, not just Frenchies.  Perhaps there might be that small fraction of games where it becomes necessary for the good of the team, but not often.

And to say that the French lights are "not scouts" means you do not know how to play them.  Of course they are good scouts... when played correctly.  They are also good flankers.  They are also good "seagullers" picking off the severely wounded.

They are good at many things which is why they are so well liked by their owners and hated by their opponents.

Tom

lazeSAM, on May 14 2012 - 14:11, said:

lazeSAM, on May 19 2012 - 02:07, said:

You got negged repped because your post smelled and looked trollish. You are concerned about what tier or position the tank is in on the Match Maker tree. Really?

The AMX 1390 has almost as twice as many HP as the Chaffe, VK2801, or T-50-2 which have 530, 560, and 500 HP respectively to the 1000 of the 1390. The 2801 has better armor; although, the 1390s gun can pen it with both HE and AP rounds. A 1390 can kill any of those tier 5 lights in a maximum of 3 shots that hit and pen. The tier 5 light tanks are going to have to hit, pen (which they can pen with no problem due to the 1390s thin armor), and do maximum damage to kill the 1390 in 8 to 10 shots depending on the tank and gun used. The exception is the VK2801 which could kill a 1390 in 3 shots with HE rounds with the 10.5, but try hitting a good 1390 driver with that 0.54 accuracy unless you are a sitting still which is still not easy.

FYI, AMX 1390 plays completely different than a Chaffee or VK2801 or T-50-2. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. As far as a Chaffee or VK2801 or T-50-2 being better. Don't know about that, but I do know I've killed several of those 3 types of tanks coming in to kill my team's arty. That doesn't make the tier 5 lights worse or better than a 1390. If I am in a tier 8 heavy tank, I'm not as worried about a pack of tier 5 light tanks as I am a  pack AMX 1390s. The three tier 5 lights may do some damage, but three 1390s can kill a KT, IS-3, KV-4, or T-32 in less than 15 seconds. Tier 5 light tanks are scouts and light support tanks, ngreat arty and TD killers while the 1390 plays more like a lightly armored, fast medium.

lazeSAM, on May 19 2012 - 02:07, said:

"Other than health".  Oh goody, we have a paper tanker.  Clearly the T110 should get it's ass kicked by a IS-4, or even an E-100 then, eh? I mean, their very similar on paper, the winner should be obvious.  

AMX 13 90s are weird; they're very small, so they make good sneaky scouts. But as far as combat goes, I've had good success tipping the scales of skirmishes within a battle. Take a map like Fisherman's Bay: most of the big stuff on both teams will polarize either in the town or on the far side of the map because of how open the middle of the map is, and arty will blast you if you get caught in the open. In this particular case, it's the job of the AMX 13 90s to hang out in the middle, screen for enemy scout rushes, and (particularly if there are 2-3 13 90s) fall on whichever flank is most vulnerable. Having 2 AMX 13 90s flank a group of heavies and knock out a full-health tier 10 can easily cause a flank to crumble, and the added distraction of two little ankle biters means people are either going to be turning the fronts of their tanks or their turrets towards the little tanks, meaning easy engine/ammo rack hits for your team's big guns.

The same principle applies to all of the autoloader tanks; the insane burst damage can easily mean the difference between a stalemate and a crushing victory on one side of the battlefield.
Edited by LittleJoeRambler, Jul 08 2012 - 23:51.

I have both and I will never engage a 13 90 with a Chaffee doing anything other than long range pot shots hoping for a track. Doing otherwise is moronic. The 13 90 only has to hit three shots for a kill, two if it rams, has better speed and similar maneuverability. You're obviously seeing chaffee drivers pouncing on damaged 13 90s and the 13 90s going after their preferred prey of larger slower tanks.