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Garbad #1 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:01

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From snibs thread:
http://forum.worldof...__fromsearch__1

Highest win rates overall:

Heavies -- russian
medium -- french
Lights -- russian
TDs -- russian
Arty -- russian

4/5 classes are dominated by russians.

Highest win rate by tier:

1 - MS1 - russian
2 - Tetrarch - russian
3 - T-127 - russian
4 - Valentine - russian
5 - T-50-2 - russian
6 - VK36 - german
7 - AMX 13 90 - french
8 - Lorraine - french
9 - Obj 704 - russian
10 - T110 - US

6 - russian
2- french
1 - US
1- german

Endgame vehicles:

best scout -- T-50-2 - russian
best TD -- Object 704 - russian
Best arty -- Object 261 -- russian
best medium -- batchat -- french
best heavy -- all are used regularly, call it a draw

4 - russian
1 - french
1 - tie

Also, overall win rate is higher than us/german. It loses slightly to french (probably a result of top players getting into and farming tanks like the lorraine all night long). And of course, this may not include data since the bounconium patch, or the newer russian heavies.
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Interesting pattern, eh?

Jovialmadness #2 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:03

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Noobs play easy tanks.  It's easy garfunkle.  More tanks more noobs. Tis is simple math dude.  Sheesh.

I'm off to get a taco.

Garbad #3 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:04

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View PostJovialmadness, on May 16 2012 - 17:03, said:

Noobs play easy tanks.  It's easy garfunkle.  More tanks more noobs. Tis is simple math dude.  Sheesh.

I'm off to get a taco.
You can see the section where snib dismisses that hypo.

NerfBat #4 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:07

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Something seems off here. Clearly the French mediums need a heavy nerf.

Lionshare #5 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:08

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I'm not totally sold on the Russian bias, but I do see a German hatred.

Edited by Lionshare, May 16 2012 - 17:09.


Garbad #6 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:11

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View PostLionshare, on May 16 2012 - 17:08, said:

I'm not totally sold on the Russian bias, but I do see a German hatered.
+1

The most interesting thing statistically is the premium hatred. Premiums are universally bad. Most of the worst of the worst are premiums. While this is kind of good in that you can't accuse people of pay2win (ala type 59, hotchkiss), what's the rationale for making tanks like the T14 so lolbad?

reaper762 #7 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:16

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I see 2 british tanks with russian paint jobs.

therowman #8 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:16

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2 - Tetrarch - russian
3 - T-127 - russian
4 - Valentine - russian

PREMIUM  (BRITISH)
PREMIUM
PREMIUM  (BRITISH)

KarmaRaid #9 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:17

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Who cares? Winrate is totally random anyway. *cough*

Garbad #10 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:18

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So should I count the hotchkiss as french then? Or say the lorraine is german (designed by german engineers)?

Anthronole #11 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:24

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So...4/5 of the tank classes with highest win rates are Russian; 6/10 of the tank tiers with highest win rates are Russian; 4/6 of the end-game tanks with highest win rate are Russian.  I'm shocked.

frostys #12 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:30

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Did you check the last section where the data of experienced player only is take into account by requiring them to have more than one tank of that type at that tier? The data change quite a lot.

heavy
T100E5
ST-I (54 players only) then E-75
AMX 50 100
T29
KV-2
KV-1 (old KV pretty much considered OP when it had KV-2 turret + guns)
PzKpfw B2 740(f)

Meds
Bat chat
M26
T20
PzKpfw V-IV Alpha  
Matilda
A-32
PzKpfw S35 739(f)

light
T-50-2
Valentine
T-127
Tetrarch
MS-1   soviet lights FTW!!!!

TD
Object 704
Ferd
Jagdpanther
SU-100
SU-85
T-40
FCM36 Pak40
T18

Arty
T92
M40/M43
S-51
SU-8
Grille
SU-26
T57

Should we say when you L2PLAY you understand russian is not be all end all of tanks?

Siegewolf #13 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:37

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Just poking fun ;)

No Russian bias eh?  Just because French are up there eh means no Russian bias? Hmmmmm I wonder why.....

Posted Image

Yes that in the background is a statue of Charles de Gualle, where do you think this statue is? Guess what, its in Moscow, Russia.

http://t2.gstatic.co...ql2lRG6FrQ3pIYg

I have personally been to that hotel and seen it :)

Edited by Siegewolf, May 16 2012 - 17:38.


therowman #14 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:43

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And ofcourse garbad wouldn't go by class and tier.

Heavy
X - USA
IX - French
VIII - French
VII - German
VI - Russian
V - Russian

medium

IX - French
VIII - French
VII - German
VI- German
V - US
IV - Russian
III - French
II - US

Light
VII - French
VI - French
V- Russian
IV - russian (british)
III- Russian
II - Russian (british)
I- Russian

Tank Destroyers
IX - Russian
VIII- German
VII - German
VI - US
V- Russian
IV - US
III- German
II -German

SPG

VIII- Russian
VII- Russian
VI - Russian
V- Russian
IV- German
III- Russian
II- German







OOHHH  NOO THOSE EVIL BIAS RUSSIANS. KINGS OF SPGS AND LIGHT TANKS.

Edited by therowman, May 16 2012 - 17:47.


Tigeh #15 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:46

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So a hotel has a statue....ehum. Proof!

Garbad - last round of stats, the Type 59 had a EU server winrate of 54%+. Doesn't this go against your "not a pay to win" tank above? Even here, it's higher than anything except the Lorraine, yet requires no experience to "grind into", unlike the french tanks, where the 12t, 13 75 and 13 90 will all reliably teach you not to poke your nose out at the wong moment!

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Alternately, Myth is Russian bias...

DRINK!

hic...

therowman #17 Posted May 16 2012 - 17:53

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Garbad is doing nothing but trying to pull the wool over gullible peoples eyes by not breaking this by Class and tier.

Once you breakit down by class and tier, you see that the Russians are nowhere close to as dominant as he claims.

Kavik_Kang #18 Posted May 16 2012 - 18:24

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Russian bias is a national trait.

AriochQ #19 Posted May 16 2012 - 18:33

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Of course they are overpowered, that is how Garbad got such good stats, by playing so many Russian tanks!

Oh wait, only 1 of his top 7 most played tanks is Russian.  That can't be right.  We all know he gets pwned all day when he plays the underpowered U.S. Patton (that was sarcasm for those of you who are somewhat oblivious).

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View PostLionshare, on May 16 2012 - 17:08, said:

I'm not totally sold on the Russian bias, but I do see a German hatred.

I wasn't either but more and more my mind id leaning the other way. I can with ease hit target farther in my IS4 and IS7 than I can in my T30 whose accuracy is suspose to be better. And RNG makes american tanks gun pen drop to lowest rolls when it really needs it. No way T30 gun SHOULD never pen front of AMX 13 75 with his 40mm frontal armor but this has happened to that tnak, pz38, and also a M12 arty side that is 16mm thick. Where is the so called overmatch on those shots. IF overmatch rule kicks in any gun 120mm and bigger should never bounce of AMX 13 75 or AMX 13 90 frontal armor. RNG is the root of all the problems in this game. It gives favorable rolls to certain lines and poor rolls to others.