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Poll: New Revised US Tech Tree (190 members have cast votes)

Would you support this Tree

  1. Yes, get it to Belarus ASAP (106 votes [55.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.79%

  2. Parts of it, Explain why you support some parts and not others (48 votes [25.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.26%

  3. No, Explain why you don't like new tanks (36 votes [18.95%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.95%

Do you like Bacon

  1. Yes (89 votes [46.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.84%

  2. Yes (19 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  3. Yes (30 votes [15.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.79%

  4. Yes (28 votes [14.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.74%

  5. Yes (24 votes [12.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.63%

What would be your new Favorite end tier if this tree was added?

  1. H1 (4 votes [3.01%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.01%

  2. T58 (9 votes [6.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.77%

  3. TS-5 (2 votes [1.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.50%

  4. T110e4 (6 votes [4.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.51%

  5. T95 MT (20 votes [15.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.04%

  6. M60 (30 votes [22.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.56%

  7. T77 (3 votes [2.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.26%

  8. TL-7 (3 votes [2.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.26%

  9. T93 (6 votes [4.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.51%

  10. Still T110e5 (23 votes [17.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.29%

  11. I hate new tanks (27 votes [20.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.30%

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StrelaCarbon #61 Posted May 31 2012 - 02:14

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View PostPriory_of_Sion, on May 30 2012 - 21:28, said:


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I am not found of the T8 being mounted on the T4 TD. We have to find a balance between the T4 and the Nashorn TD. If they are to be equal the T4 will most likely have the T5e2 105mm AT gun as top gun.


Well, sure, but the Nashorn gets a lot more alpha, and the T8 probably isn't enough of a penetration upgrade to give it an unfair advantage over a 128.

Priory_of_Sion #62 Posted May 31 2012 - 02:24

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View PostStrelaCarbon, on May 31 2012 - 02:14, said:

Well, sure, but the Nashorn gets a lot more alpha, and the T8 probably isn't enough of a penetration upgrade to give it an unfair advantage over a 128.
Nashorn will get the 88l/71 (203 pen,240 damage)
The T4 will get the T5e1 AT (198pen, 320 damage)
-these two TDs will get top gun of the next tier HT of their tree(Tiger and T29)

You are thinking of the Stuer Emil.

killer3832 #63 Posted May 31 2012 - 04:27

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And how much time did you spend on this?

Serious Gamer right here.

+1 to you my man

StrelaCarbon #64 Posted May 31 2012 - 06:34

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View PostPriory_of_Sion, on May 31 2012 - 02:24, said:

Nashorn will get the 88l/71 (203 pen,240 damage)
The T4 will get the T5e1 AT (198pen, 320 damage)
-these two TDs will get top gun of the next tier HT of their tree(Tiger and T29)

You are thinking of the Stuer Emil.

Oops
I feel stupid now :facepalmic:

Priory_of_Sion #65 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 06:09

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Does anyone have info on this M4 variant?


http://www.imperialc...Page078-079.jpg
The Source of the image claims this project was called the M4 Sherman mod. 1946
It was armed with the m3 90mm gun and used the T23 turret on a modified Jumbo chassis.
The armor was to provide extra HEAT round protection


*note this is different than the M4 w/ T26 turret
Posted Image





Also while snooping around the web i found the original designs for the M6a2e1
http://www.alternate...cles/M6A2E1.jpg
not the M6a2e1 we have ingame.
The original M6a2e1 was to be America's breakthrough tank(Sigfried Line tank).
The M6a2e1 we have was modified from the M6a2e1 hull and was a test bed for the T29's turret and gun.

Priory_of_Sion #66 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 18:32

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lostwingman #67 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 21:41

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For all the people saying "herp derp too many tanks!"
The devs have an expected life-span for this game of 10 years, there is most definitely enough time for all of these tanks to be added gradually and more.

Also, Chieftain don't be such a tease :(. You can't just drop bombs like "there are others you are missing" and then never come back :(.
How am I going to sleep at night?

StrelaCarbon #68 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 23:24

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View PostPriory_of_Sion, on Jun 01 2012 - 06:09, said:


Also while snooping around the web i found the original designs for the M6a2e1
http://www.alternate...cles/M6A2E1.jpg
not the M6a2e1 we have ingame.
The original M6a2e1 was to be America's breakthrough tank(Sigfried Line tank).
The M6a2e1 we have was modified from the M6a2e1 hull and was a test bed for the T29's turret and gun.

Very interesting...
That gun reminds me of the long 90. Also, if the devs would ever consent to have 3 turrets on a tank, that would be nice to have on the M6, looks very bouncy. In that case, the normal M6A2E1's turret could go on the T29 as stock. I also notice that the cupola looks like the one on some german tanks.

Priory_of_Sion #69 Posted Jun 04 2012 - 21:09

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Edited, with changes to the tree.
Added tanks.


TS-2
M6a2e1 mod. 1
M4 mod. 1946
T110e1
T110e3
Astron Heavy
Christie 1935 A (split from B version)


+removed fictional T25/2 and replaced with T25.

Edited by Priory_of_Sion, Jun 04 2012 - 21:11.


KaiserWilhelmShatner #70 Posted Jun 04 2012 - 21:33

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If WG ever decides to progress past the 60's on tank design, I would love to drive a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBT-70.

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View PostPriory_of_Sion, on Jun 01 2012 - 06:09, said:

The Source of the image claims this project was called the M4 Sherman mod. 1946
It was armed with the m3 90mm gun and used the T23 turret on a modified Jumbo chassis.
The armor was to provide extra HEAT round protection


*note this is different than the M4 w/ T26 turret
Posted Image




Someone has a photo as their signature.

The fact that WarGaming put the 122mm on the KV-1S, the KV-3's mockup turret, to have the T-34-100, and the Schmalturm turret and KwK 40 L/70, I'd say they chose not to put the M26 turret and 90mm M3 on the M4A3E8, just like they chose not to put the Ford GAA on the M36, the M46 (enough said), and the Super Pershing (although I think they may have made it a super tested exlusive).

View PostPriory_of_Sion, on Jun 01 2012 - 06:09, said:

Also while snooping around the web i found the original designs for the M6a2e1
http://www.alternate...cles/M6A2E1.jpg
not the M6a2e1 we have ingame.
The original M6a2e1 was to be America's breakthrough tank(Sigfried Line tank).
The M6a2e1 we have was modified from the M6a2e1 hull and was a test bed for the T29's turret and gun.

If they change the M6A2E1, they should resize tanks like the Tiger II and Hotchkiss H35. The Tiger II (ten feet) was actually only a foot or two taller than the Sherman (eight feet), with the Sherman itself being pretty tall because of the driveline, and the H35 was about nine feet tall.

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View PostKaiserWilhelmShatner, on Jun 04 2012 - 21:33, said:

If WG ever decides to progress past the 60's on tank design, I would love to drive a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBT-70.

I love that tank! I would want it too. But I wonder if the 152 would get the shillelagh (don't know how to spell it) AT missile as a premium shell, since it was made to use on that gun.

StrelaCarbon #73 Posted Jun 04 2012 - 23:24

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View PostPriory_of_Sion, on Jun 04 2012 - 21:09, said:

Edited, with changes to the tree.
Added tanks.


TS-2
M6a2e1 mod. 1
M4 mod. 1946
T110e1
T110e3
Astron Heavy
Christie 1935 A (split from B version)


+removed fictional T25/2 and replaced with T25.

The T25/2 is still there...
And there are 3 M6A2E1s in the tree now.
Also, the Astron would probably do better as a TD, but I think 3 lines is enough, even without the extra T110 models.

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I like the idea of more tanks. For every tree and I know your working on it. These are cool and unique tanks and some are definately worth looking at.

Priory_of_Sion #75 Posted Jun 05 2012 - 02:02

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View PostStrelaCarbon, on Jun 04 2012 - 23:24, said:

The T25/2 is still there...
And there are 3 M6A2E1s in the tree now.
Also, the Astron would probably do better as a TD, but I think 3 lines is enough, even without the extra T110 models.

The T25 Medium will be renamed as the T25/2 due to the T25 TD already being in game. So the T25/2 we all know is removed and replaced by the REAL T25.

Will fix the M6a2e1's

The Astron might become tier X TD instead of the T58.(Chieftain alluded that the T58 won't be a TD but rather a heavy)

I personally think the T58 is ill suited to be a tier X heavy because of speed, armor, and ammo capacity. The T58 as a heavy will be like a slow AMX-50 w/ more alpha but terrible maneuverability. The T58 is much better as a TD. The Astron will remain a heavy until further info.


In my Soviet Tree, there are 4 Tier X TDs, 4 Tier X Heavies, 2 Tier X mediums, and only 1 tier 8 SPG.
The Germans will have 3 tier X mediums, Two Heavies, Two TDs, and Two SPGs.
The French still need some research but I got an idea of what to do with them.

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Fixed the 3 M6a2e1s

Added Hydraulic Turret Traverse Mechanism as an equipment for US TDs.



ABOUT THE MBT-70...

The MBT-70 will outclass every single tank in the game.

The MBT-70 has great protection because it has composite armor w/ a biult in spall liner.

The MBT-70 can choose between the 152mm and the 120mm guns that make the BL-10 look like a musket.

The MBT-70 can outrun every tank besides the T-50-2, A-20, and the M18.

The MBT-70 had biult in measures against crew death.



THERE IS NO WAY THE MBT-70 IS A VIABLE TANK IN WOT>

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How about the M36B1 (M36 turret and gun on the M4A3 hull)?

Also, about the only thing I have a beef with the the reduction in the M12's tier and loss of its upgraded (and, I believe, historical) gun.

And I'd give the 76mm gun M1 to the M4A3E2/8 as well (it was tested on the Sherman, and if the Pz4 can have the suspension-crushing Schmalturm, I don't see why not) and give it the same RoF as the 76mm gun M1A1 (at least on the Jumbo and E8) and the accuracy of the M1A2, with the stated pen. Why? Because the T1 should fairly unambiguously outgun the M4.

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View Postbalmung60, on Jun 05 2012 - 05:08, said:

How about the M36B1 (M36 turret and gun on the M4A3 hull)?

Also, about the only thing I have a beef with the the reduction in the M12's tier and loss of its upgraded (and, I believe, historical) gun.

And I'd give the 76mm gun M1 to the M4A3E2/8 as well (it was tested on the Sherman, and if the Pz4 can have the suspension-crushing Schmalturm, I don't see why not) and give it the same RoF as the 76mm gun M1A1 (at least on the Jumbo and E8) and the accuracy of the M1A2, with the stated pen.
I don't really know what to do with the M36B1. I find it rather pointless. If you can vouch for it it will be added. I just don't see what will make it any different than having an inferior chassis. Plus since the M36 under my plan will get the GAA engine the mobility argument is not really relevant.

The M12 retains its historical gun (M1918 155mm).

The 76mm M1 will likely be added to the M4a3e8, M4a3e2, M4 mod. 1946, T1, M6, T20, M27, M-4, and an AT version to the M10.

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View PostPriory_of_Sion, on Jun 05 2012 - 03:27, said:

Fixed the 3 M6a2e1s

Added Hydraulic Turret Traverse Mechanism as an equipment for US TDs.



ABOUT THE MBT-70...

The MBT-70 will outclass every single tank in the game.

The MBT-70 has great protection because it has composite armor w/ a biult in spall liner.

The MBT-70 can choose between the 152mm and the 120mm guns that make the BL-10 look like a musket.

The MBT-70 can outrun every tank besides the T-50-2, A-20, and the M18.

The MBT-70 had biult in measures against crew death.



THERE IS NO WAY THE MBT-70 IS A VIABLE TANK IN WOT>

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1Shot1KillTiger205 #80 Posted Jun 05 2012 - 07:56

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Seems you put in a lot of effort into that, that will make this even more fun, i hate it, its to big, take to long to complete and would need to do the same for all trees to make it balanced, do a huge tree like that for, USSR, France, Germany and Britian and ill be all ears!