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VirgilHilts #41 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 02:40

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I doubt they're nerfing the M18 to bring it in line with the M36, but rather to bring it inline with the rest of the TD's, at least, in their mind.

VirgilHilts #42 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 02:42

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View PostTupinambis, on Jun 01 2012 - 01:12, said:

Its not nothing, but its not a disaster either. It does still maintain a decent DPM advantage over the other tier 10 heavies. They could, and still might, make things a lot worse. If this nerf stays as it is, the T110 will survive as a solid tier 10.

Can, and almost certainly will, is more like it.


They felt the T34 and T30 were actually solid tier IX and tier X tanks, and said so on numerous ocassions.

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View PostVirgilHilts, on Jun 01 2012 - 02:42, said:

Can, and almost certainly will, is more like it.


They felt the T34 and T30 were actually solid tier IX and tier X tanks, and said so on numerous ocassions.

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AgentQ #44 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 02:50

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please remember this just test version 1, they could nerf it further in test 2...

KilljoyCutter #45 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 02:51

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View PostAgentQ, on Jun 01 2012 - 02:50, said:

please remember this just test version 1, they could nerf it further in test 2...

I expect they will.

Leader_H #46 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 03:53

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I wonder what had M103 and T30 done wrong, it is not like that they are better than their peers.

Tupinambis #47 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 04:04

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View PostLeader_H, on Jun 01 2012 - 03:53, said:

I wonder what had M103 and T30 done wrong, it is not like that they are better than their peers.

I have no idea about the T30, especially with the Foch coming onto the scene.

As for the M103, it is getting a very mild nerf but it is also joined by the E-75 in getting nerfed. The VK4502B is getting a mild buff. This only leaves two completely mediocre tier 9 Russian heavies that have been untouched. One can be penned frontally by a Jagdpanzer IV, the other is... extremely rare. I really don't know about the ST-I. I've only engaged it once, in my VK4502A. I was not impressed.

Edited by Tupinambis, Jun 01 2012 - 04:05.


Drive_Me_Closer #48 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 04:16

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M103 is 4th overall compared to the other T9s, only beating the VK.  Hardly seems to need a nerf in that case.

The Hellkat is 1% over the slugger, and about .7 over the Su100.  Also not huge margins here.

The object 704 is better then the T30 by .8, and the T95/Jagtiger by 3%, where is its nerf?  

T28 and T28p are also bottom listers by 2%, where are the buffs?

If the devs are going to nerf the T110 for 2% higher w/l, the least they could do is be consistent and fix all those overperforming russian tanks as well...

Leader_H #49 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 04:24

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If T30 and M103 were really that epic I don't mind a nerf...

Tupinambis #50 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 04:26

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View PostDrive_Me_Closer, on Jun 01 2012 - 04:16, said:

M103 is 4th overall compared to the other T9s, only beating the VK.  Hardly seems to need a nerf in that case.

The Hellkat is 1% over the slugger, and about .7 over the Su100.  Also not huge margins here.

The object 704 is better then the T30 by .8, and the T95/Jagtiger by 3%, where is its nerf?  

T28 and T28p are also bottom listers by 2%, where are the buffs?

If the devs are going to nerf the T110 for 2% higher w/l, the least they could do is be consistent and fix all those overperforming russian tanks as well...

This all alone is very strong evidence to me that WG uses a lot more info available to them than just W/L. They have confirmed several times that avg XP per match is also considered. This is also somewhat evident by how the KT is doing so poorly, yet no one seems to think its UP. Unfortunately, we have no way of getting these numbers.

I'm contradicting myself though. The Object 704, more than any other tier 9 TD, is going to be directly competing against the Foch which is likely going to blow it out of the water.

I don't know if the M103's stats have really fully recovered from being the tier 9 T34 yet. When you write that its in 2nd to last place, is that over all or over the past 2 weeks or something?

I don't know what to write about the tier 8 TD's. I have the T28P. I personally really like it, so I don't know why it would be so far behind the others.

The Tier 6 TDs themselves face some serious competition from the ARL TD. Especially the JPIV, but that thing was already trash anyway.

Texan4Life #51 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 05:11

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The M103 and T110 finally made the american heavy line worthwhile. I didn't care for anythign other than the T29, then hated my T32. I'm happy with my M103 Not sure why they are nerfing the gun, players do that plenty in game since damaging the gun and getting ammo racked is easy... or at least it happens to me all the time it seems.

Siranus #52 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 05:58

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I just have a bad feeling that they are going to have a second test and nerf the rof of the gun from 6 to 5.75....

lostwingman #53 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 06:02

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First off, the Hellcat is superior to the Slugger because the slugger sucks, not so much because the hellcat is awesome (which it is).

Seond, goddamn, does the T30 have to become literally unplayable for it to be balance?

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View PostTupinambis, on Jun 01 2012 - 01:12, said:

Its not nothing, but its not a disaster either. It does still maintain a decent DPM advantage over the other tier 10 heavies. They could, and still might, make things a lot worse. If this nerf stays as it is, the T110 will survive as a solid tier 10.

With the loss of maneuverability, I think it may be a disaster...

Edited by PHOENIX_ONE, Jun 01 2012 - 06:18.


Mow_Mow #55 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 06:29

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View Postlostwingman, on Jun 01 2012 - 06:02, said:

First off, the Hellcat is superior to the Slugger because the slugger sucks, not so much because the hellcat is awesome (which it is).

Seond, goddamn, does the T30 have to become literally unplayable for it to be balance?

Losing 0.04 RPM on the gun is hardly "unplayable."

guywitn0life #56 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 06:54

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Like how they nerf the M103 but still won't fix it's turret faces.

ForceX #57 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 07:36

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View PostMow_Mow, on Jun 01 2012 - 06:29, said:

Losing 0.04 RPM on the gun is hardly "unplayable."
I think he refers to the -2 degree traverse nerf...

Tupinambis #58 Posted Jun 01 2012 - 07:40

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View Postguywitn0life, on Jun 01 2012 - 06:54, said:

Like how they nerf the M103 but still won't fix it's turret faces.

Kinda defeats the purpose of a nerf.

What exactly the purpose of this nerf was is a bit of a mystery, but they're not going to give the M103 a tiny RoF nerf only to immensely improve its turret armor, unless the M103 started to under perform disastrously.

Edited by Tupinambis, Jun 01 2012 - 07:40.


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That's how they get you. A tiny nerf that wasn't necessary, but does not affect your gameplay. Eventually you get so many tiny nerfs, you'll be left begging for 4 second aim by the time 8.0 gets around. :Smile_veryhappy:

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View PostForceX, on Jun 01 2012 - 07:36, said:

I think he refers to the -2 degree traverse nerf...

I'd be more worried of a turret traverse nerf. But, I see your point. I missed that on my first observation.




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