Kristine, on Jun 02 2012 - 18:53, said:
My suggestion on how to fix the E-100:
-Buff the lower plate to 200 mm, just like it's upper plate. After all, thats the historical front armour of the E-100 based on the captured hull.
-Buff the 128mm and 150mm's penetration values to be comparable to US, Ruskie and French tier 10 guns...
-262-270mm for the 128mm
-240-255mm for the 150mm
-Improve aim time for the 128mm and 150mm, devs will handle the stats for this.
-Fix the gun mantlet armour. At the moment, the mantlet armour doesn't even exist or just really thin as hell.
-Just completely remove the police bar weakness.
I asked the Chieftain about the E-100's lower glacis. He wasn't convinced.
The_Chieftain, on Jun 01 2012 - 16:18, said:
With respect to E-100, you are not the first person to ask me that. This was my response last time:
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You know, it's easier just to buy Panzer Tracts and see what Doyle dug up from his various trips to the German and British archives. 200mm front turret and glacis, 150mm lower hull. Since he only works from primary sources, he's pretty reliable. The 'lines' you are treating as joints to determine the thickness of the armour (and I understand why you are doing so given such was used in King Tiger and Panther) would appear not to be reliable. For example, the weld beads on the extreme ends of the upper front plate (i.e outboard of the towing eyes) cannot be join lines from the lower plate, as there is no lower plate in front of the drivewheels, yet that 'seam' runs the exact same height across the entire breadth of the upper plate. Similarly, looking at a photo of the front hull from below, the supposed joins are somewhat thicker on the center of the lower glacis than the thickeness of the upper glacis as evident from the side. There three possible conclusions:
1) The thickness of the upper glacis was not consistent, being thicker in the middle than at the edges. Which is unlikely given german practise and lack of anything I have read.
2) The 'join lines' are not actually join lines.
3) The way the hull was manufactured is such that measurements cannot be taken externally to give an accurate assessment of the thickenss of the panels.
If any one of these turns out to be true, then your mechanism for estimating thicknesses cannot be giving correct answers.
FWIW, the hull in the game is marginally better armoured than the real specifications dictate, and the turret is substantially better.
Also, German gun mantlets are the most invincible. USA ones have exactly what it says on the stats page - 254 or 279 for the heavies. Dunno about the USSR ones, and the whole French turret is paper. Germans have the turret armor + a mystery amount of mantlet armor. Of course if you shoot straight down the gun you will penetrate, that's true of every tank in the game. I suspect that German mantlets have anywhere between 250mm and 350mm of armor.
