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Maus should get an armor buff. Giving it ability to bounce the non-gold shell of the new USA/USSR/French guns frontally unless a specific weakspot is hit.

E100 should get a firepower buff, either buff the 150, or give it another better gun.

Zardnaar, on Jun 02 2012 - 15:16, said:

Yes it would, or easier would be to give the 128 a higher ROF, that matches the ROF of the US and Russian tier 10's. If my E100's 150mm will not get a buff, then give me the option of throwing the 128 on with a ROF of 5.2 ish. Then I could compete.

OR throw the 150/L68 on that puppy, and watch the "E100 is too OP" threads come rollin in!!!!!

Front glacias on E100 needs to be increased to 200mm and the gun should have better pen as it pens nothing if it's not juicy. The maus probably needs a similar gun as the 100 with the buff as mentioned in first sentence and it would be fine, the armour of maus to me seems fine.

the e-100 with the 150 is only useable with gold rounds I run the 128 in pubs and 150 with gold in cw. increase the pen on the 150 would be a nice step. the muas  seem to take a big hit when the change how the armor worked for all the tanks it's now more of a big slow target then the rolling bunker it used to be.

I don't understand why people are complaining about the e100's gun.  It's the only tier ten that can deliver a hit anywhere near that big, and I've been penned by one from some insane angles.  The E100 needs a lower glace boost, and the Maus needs a slight engine boost (to bring it a little closer to the 4).  That's it.  The 100 is a support tank, not a brawler, play it as such.

AMartin223, on Jun 02 2012 - 20:53, said:

A high damage gun deals nothing if it doesn't penetrate, that's the problem.

AMartin223, on Jun 02 2012 - 20:53, said:

you don't own it so you might not have notice the 150 will bounce 4 out of 5 shots  on a tier x tank  if it pens it hurts but most of the time it does not (unless you use gold)

AMartin223, on Jun 02 2012 - 20:53, said:

You dont have one, you have never driven one, why are you here? Oh, because you look at the tech tree and see "Numbers" and then assume...nevermind..

First off love how people that have never played a Maus or an E-100 are such experts on em, GO TROLL some place else.

The Maus Needs an Engine boost, or some kind of buff against arty hits.  3 arty in a match with a Maus its game over you cant move, they Pin you down an your scrap.

Before you say it, I have Spall liner, Tool box and crew with the repair skill.  Worthless.

Till the fix something with Maus vs arty Go for the OP russian tanks or the T100  german heavys are broken.

Even with gold rounds I have trouble to pen with the 155, just gotta get into a possy to get a juicy shot - this opens to the door to an ugly side though which is rarely recommended.

I doubt the Maus will ever receive any kind of significant speed or fire power boost that's simply not what the intend it's niche to be. The E-100 might get a speed boost under the idea of it being a more general purpose tank, but even that's probably a long shot. I'd look more towards armor or hit box changes.

Tishr, on Jun 02 2012 - 21:44, said:

the down side of that is it is not bad from a hit box point of view.. if it could pen it could hold it's own and be equal to the other tier X

KrasnayaZvezda, on Jun 02 2012 - 10:32, said:

WG hates the German tanks. They'll probably put five mm of armour on the front and be like "Oh wait, it's unbalanced now. Let's take off fifty mm and add that fifty onto a Russian tank!"

It seems as if the E1OO 15cm L38 gun is very likely based off of the GW Pan 15cm L3O howitzer, which would mean its penetration is quite improved. Given that the gun is a gold gun, the 235 should not really matter. In public matches? No need to use gold, as clan matches differ much from public matches in tanks faced, the amount of these tanks faced, and individual discipline - the 235 should be enough for most cases. Maybe they should buff this gun like GW Pan damage, give it 9OO/12OO. There would undoubtedly be an explosion of HEAT users if thats the case, and makes the gun a solid threat in the role of HE-Thrower. (Which it was designed to be?)

The problem here lies with the L55 12.8, actually. I firmly believe it does. There are times I swear the L55 12.8 largely behaves like the German 1O.5s before it, just with added damage. Many cases, I resort to HE damage, which is just not what it used to be. What good is an AP shell if it just bounces or flattens out, I'd rather pay less for an HE and do 5% - and pray for some critical. I really, really swear this gun never roles 246 Pen, its damn average. Compare them with the S Series 13cm:
- 26O vs 246
- O.4O vs O.38
- 3.4 vs 2.9
- Higher HE damage with 13cm, higher HE Pen
- 13cm has better rate of fire, even when it was on IS4 compared to AuSB/E75

It seems the German 12.8 gun has better handling characteristics, but loses out tremendously in face-to-face combat. Given German tanks are so tall, and that they have to aim down at near targets (adding slope to target) or simply cannot target their enemies due to face hugging (Poorer German gun dep/Soviet turrets are respectively indestructible high tier) Give the L55 12.8 +1O Pen, not the L38 15cm.

Dirizon, on Jun 02 2012 - 22:35, said:

the taller tank (on the left) is REDUCING the amount of slope on the front of the enemy tank

the equal height tank has to deal with more slope than the tall tank

here's another illustration



the black line is the armor, and then the other black line is perpendicular to it. Blue line is shell from tall tank, red line is shell from short tank.

The blue one has less slope than the red one.

http://forum.worldof...lous-idea-ever/

Shishka,
I understand your intentions. And they are true, and to principles be followed. l should have been clearer on my part.
What l meant, is the common tactic of opening fire on the legroom area of a tank. The slope leading to the belly, housing the drivers seat. Very common amongst targetting German armour, but also very necessary on really sloped tanks like M1O3 and T11O. Now, this virtually becomes impossible with T54, Ty59, lS7, 0bj7O, lS8 - and probably even lS3. The horrid gun depression, coupled by the assisting slope makes these armours really fustrating. And however fustrating they may be....they are still thinner than the bow area, the glacis plates of the tank. And with the interlocked, crystal stucture most late tier soviet tanks offer, the L55 12.8 more frequently than ever bounces off frontal armours. 0h, and another point, in a facehug, those German tanks cannot target the glacis to negate slope. They have to back up to fire, given Russian tanks better acceleration, jamming R multiple times negates any chance of that. You are face to face with those 2OO+ armoured turrets, with God know what in effective armour due to their shape. (3OO+ l think with lS4/lS7)

Nevertheless nice illustrations, and nice points. You should be rewarded by + signs.

oh I gotcha, yeah, in that case the German tanks have the disadvantage

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Uhh, try shooting the turret top

IS4 has a massive 30mm turret top armor.
I used to kill the T9 IS4 in my KV5 by face-hugging & blamblamblam into the turret top.
IS3 also has 30mm turret top, easier to kill than an IS4.
If I can hit them with KV5 accuracy, German tanks should be able to do it from further away.
I believe IS7 at least has a soft commanders' cupola.

Also try using your height advantage on the upper glacis if you're too close to hit the lower glacis, as shishkabob showed, you get a reduced angle -> easier to penetrate from closer up.


Regarding buffing E100/Maus, I'd expect to see RoF/Accuracy & maybe hitpoints.
There seem to be some serious delusions around about what the real armor of Maus/E100 was or should be & what sort of thickness counts as a 'weakspot'.

E100 needs very slight penetration buff, and lower plate buff.

Maus just needs more life again. It never should have been dropped from 3200 life and they claimed " we fixed the mudflaps!"

No, they didn't.
Edited by Faded, Jun 03 2012 - 07:36.