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What kind of buffs E-100/Maus could get?

Hartziel's Photo Hartziel Jun 03 2012

View PostKrasnayaZvezda, on Jun 02 2012 - 10:32, said:

From EU Q&A thread:http://forum.worldof...06#entry2042606



While I'm not very convinced of that 'future' updates, it sounds okay for German players.
So, while the gun seems to be stay as it is for much later, what could they have in mind for the 'rebalancing'? Reinforcing underbellies? Some more armor?

an additional garage for an e50 inside the maus... and a chemical toilet
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lineman's Photo lineman Jun 03 2012

The e-100 would be viable again if it stopped shooting whiffle balls.
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DrachenFury's Photo DrachenFury Jun 03 2012

Maus should be given a 150mm like the E-100.  Historically, this was the armanent intended for the Maus.  The prototype was just given the 128mm cannon with co-axial 75mm due to a 150mm cannon not being available yet.
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Mow_Mow's Photo Mow_Mow Jun 03 2012

View PostDrachenFury, on Jun 03 2012 - 14:36, said:

Maus should be given a 150mm like the E-100.  Historically, this was the armanent intended for the Maus.  The prototype was just given the 128mm cannon with co-axial 75mm due to a 150mm cannon not being available yet.

You know, the 150mm is a terrible gun, even worse than the 12.8cm, right?
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Sonoskay's Photo Sonoskay Jun 03 2012

I cant say for sure but it seems all these tanks need are slight adjustments not anything to big.. as overlord said their stats are fine just thier rolls just are not as clear.

This may be a dumb question but   how does the 150mm do  in the ways of HE armets? can it be used well as a "derp" gun?

And If the muas is no longer the Moving bunker it used to be it needs to change. To change the hitbox on the tank will really help it out. Get rid of a few of the easier to hit weak spots and it seems like it will do just fine..

Again I dont know too much about these tanks  I would like to understand
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IamJohnGalt's Photo IamJohnGalt Jun 03 2012

They only things I would like to see in a Pen buff for the E-100's 150mm gun, and a modest ROF buff for the Maus.   Take the Pen on the 150mm to say 180mm or so, and the reload time for the Maus down to 11 seconds (its almost 13 seconds now, which is a bit slow when you consider that the Ferdi at tier 8 has a little over 10 second reload time, and the Maus's turret is almost as big has the entire Ferdi itself, and both use the same gun).  Neither buff would make them OP in any way, and would make both tanks a hell of a lot more useful.
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Mini_Bolo's Photo Mini_Bolo Jun 03 2012

You guys are funny.  That opening post doesn't say anything about buffs.  It talks about "Rebalancing".  Now, if you want to know what "rebalancing" means, go ask the T30, M103, and T110 drivers.  That's what the Maus and E-100 will be getting.  RoF nerfs, traverse, and passibility nerfs.  IF you're lucky.  If you're unlucky, the developers will "rebalance" the fire probability on the E-100's transmission.
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Schleicher's Photo Schleicher Jun 05 2012

View PostMini_Bolo, on Jun 03 2012 - 23:16, said:

You guys are funny.  That opening post doesn't say anything about buffs.  It talks about "Rebalancing".  Now, if you want to know what "rebalancing" means, go ask the T30, M103, and T110 drivers.

Boo-hoo, you lost a whole half a second on your reload time.
The T30 needed a small nerf to make it a T9 TD, and it recieved aformentioned small nerf. The T110 and M103 (mainly the T110) needed a fairly hefty RoF nerf.
What was reload pre-nerf? 8 seconds. Please.

If you thought it was going to stay amazing, you were wrong. The tank was always going to be nerfed; WG has a habit of releasing tanks and then working out that they're OP and nerfing them as soon as possible.

And don't sit there and cry about how much damage you do in comparison; I'm lucky to get 450 every 11 seconds (10.53 iirc) in my IS-7 (for some reason, my Maus seems to out-damage my IS-7, hitting for 550-600), I regularly take hits for 440-460 from T110s in both my Maus and my IS-7 (higher, in my Batchat, but that thing has so little armour that the shot it probably going clean through both the front and back of the tank).


0-- Back on topic --0

The E100 is in line for a buff. It's been ignored or nerfed fairly consistently since release; last tank hit that hard was the T-54, which is now out of the nerf-zone.
It needs the buff badly. Far more than any other high tier in the game.
The Maus would like a buff too, given as how there are now guns capable of penetrating the glacis. I don't think it's going to get one, but I, as a Maus drive, think it would like one.
Edited by Schleicher, Jun 05 2012 - 05:24.
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Mow_Mow's Photo Mow_Mow Jun 05 2012

View PostSchleicher, on Jun 05 2012 - 05:23, said:

Boo-hoo, you lost a whole half a second on your reload time.
The T30 needed a small nerf to make it a T9 TD, and it recieved aformentioned small nerf. The T110 and M103 (mainly the T110) needed a fairly hefty RoF nerf.
What was reload pre-nerf? 8 seconds. Please.

Actually, T30 took a 50% nerf to its turret dispersion. In 0.7.3, the dispersion for traversing your turret for T30 is 0.16. In the new patch it is now 0.24 dispersion. For comparison:

Dispersion while: (Movement) (Track Traverse) (Turret Traverse)
JT: (0.18) (0.18) (n/a)
704: (0.19) (0.19) (n/a)
T95: (0.17) (0.17) (n/a)
T30 - 0.7.3: (0.24) (0.24) (0.16)
T30 - 0.7.4 (0.24) (0.24) (0.24)

Imagine if your JT's 0.32 accuracy was nerfed to 0.48, because it's about the same deal.
Edited by Mow_Mow, Jun 05 2012 - 06:52.
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Cannonitus's Photo Cannonitus Jun 05 2012

Buffs required for Maus/E-100, you'll be receiving them in the mail, something about manuals on how to properly drive them.
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RipMarley's Photo RipMarley Jun 05 2012

I don't own either tank, but the one thing that always confused me is that the E-100 was supposed to have an identical turret to the Maus. Yet, it does not have it in game. Therefore, the E-100 should have turret armor identical to a Maus. Conversely, the Maus should be able to fit that 150mm that anecdotal evidence says it should have.
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bigeye123's Photo bigeye123 Jun 05 2012

I played the Maus in CBT and a friend has lent me his account and let me play them in 7.3 before and I would have to say, they definitely can't compare to any Tier 10 outright. Mabye with the right positioning, mabye with the support of other tanks, mabye if the other driver is bad, mabye then you will succeed and win the fight. I what the Maus really needs is a health or armor buff. A ROF buff for the gun would be nice but probably not completely needed if the health/armor is buffed. For the E100 I think just fixing the lower glacis and mabye adding some penetration or accuracy to the gun would be fine. Atleast make them able to stand up to their Tier 10 counterparts.
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Mow_Mow's Photo Mow_Mow Jun 05 2012

View Postbigeye123, on Jun 05 2012 - 08:42, said:

I played the Maus in CBT and a friend has lent me his account and let me play them in 7.3 before and I would have to say, they definitely can't compare to any Tier 10 outright. Mabye with the right positioning, mabye with the support of other tanks, mabye if the other driver is bad, mabye then you will succeed and win the fight. I what the Maus really needs is a health or armor buff. A ROF buff for the gun would be nice but probably not completely needed if the health/armor is buffed. For the E100 I think just fixing the lower glacis and mabye adding some penetration or accuracy to the gun would be fine. Atleast make them able to stand up to their Tier 10 counterparts.

Problem is pub matches are won by jack of all trades tanks, such as E-50, IS-7, IS-4, and T110. Only exception is French autoloaders, although you should note that AMX-50B is doing about as poorly as the E-100. (I think the IS-4 stat is skewed because idiots are driving around with them mounting the IS gun) The Maus is extremely specialized in its role and dominates only within that role. That's why you see them used frequently in certain clan wars maps + positions/strategies, and never deployed anywhere else. It's not flexible enough to survive in an unscripted pub match where anything can happen and where one of the best traits a tank can have is adaptability.
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DrachenFury's Photo DrachenFury Jun 06 2012

View PostMow_Mow, on Jun 03 2012 - 18:12, said:

You know, the 150mm is a terrible gun, even worse than the 12.8cm, right?

Never played the E-100 with the 150mm cannon, so no actually.  Though I am aware that the 150mm received a significant nerf during one of the past updates.   I offered this thought as historically a 150mm was the intended armanent for a production level Maus.  Effectiveness of the 150mm cannon is a seperate but related issue.
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Lorax's Photo Lorax Jun 07 2012

View PostZardnaar, on Jun 02 2012 - 15:16, said:

RoF and accuracy buff for the 128mm. Penetration and accuracy buff for the E100, exta hit points on both, front numberplate buffed.

128mm Jagdtiger gun on the E100 would be nice.

You're so silly.
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