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[9mmCapsule]

Although I have it tagged, this is not a post on whether stats matters or not. If you are looking for drinking games, shut your computer and drink somewhere else.

As I progressively played more and won more games in WoT, I started to notice my attitude towards this game has changed massively since when I first started this game, which was about 5 months ago .

In the beginning, I just thought this game has a cool concept and awesome content, it would be fun to give it a try. So I did. I had a lot of fun when playing tier 1 and 2 tanks. I was a noob and I failed countless times back then. I don't seem to get kills or do any damage but just driving a tank in a MMO game was fun. I can't remember my stats back then but I do remember I didn't care about win or loss.

Maybe the sense of freshness of a game overwhelms any fun you can find in victories, because after almost 6k games played, I can no longer say I don't care about win or loss. If you know about me in game, I can't take a loss in high tier tanks. Especially with my T110 and the IS family. over 60% win rate after a couple hundred games is valid enough to call yourself a great player in that tank. But I still want to achieve higher win rate. Maybe get to 70% or 80%?

Link to my stats: http://wot-news.com/...e/us/9mmcapsule

This is interesting now I stand back and look at my thoughts. Why is win rate so important to me? If I play this game to have fun, then why not just go play lower tier tanks? My conclusion comes down to the lust of power. There's a saying that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Once I have achieved good stats, I can't let it slide because that achievement worth much more than losing a single game even it could be your best game. Gradually, I make up every loss with double or triple amount of victories and my win rate stays incremental.

Although it sounds easy, make up your losses, it is actually very random and sometimes could be tough to do. Platooning with good players, use high tier tanks and use gold (I haven't touch them in pub matches except once that I forget to take them off after cw) can help you with that. But I'm afraid if you are like me, once you start to implementing these approaches, there's no turning back. The lust of better stats and higher win rate will consume your ego and force you to continue. I think there's nothing wrong of being that way as long as you are having fun. And I also hope you see that WG is the biggest beneficiary in the end.

Welcome to check out my channel, new video updates as I wrote this post: http://www.youtube.c...le?feature=mhee

Edit: how did I improve myself see this post: http://forum.worldof...for-good-stats/

Edited by 9mmCapsule, Jun 04 2012 - 22:55.

[POLICENITRO]

by the way stats don't matter because you can't control them you can survive a battle yet your team let you down causing a loss

[ed_anger]

POLICENITRO, on Jun 02 2012 - 20:56, said:

by the way stats don't matter because you can't control them you can survive a battle yet your team let you down causing a loss

That is what people with terrible stats say, yes.

[BandofBrothers101]

POLICENITRO, on Jun 02 2012 - 20:56, said:

by the way stats don't matter because you can't control them you can survive a battle yet your team let you down causing a loss

man POLICENTIRO, you need to shut up sometimes, your stats suck and the only people whos say stats dont matter are people who's stats suck... I mean they don't mean everything, but I've been soloing pubs for 10k matches almost, 52% win rate and more kills than deaths, decent hit ratio... now, I'm not amazing or anything but I try to atleast give me team the edge of winning  by helping where it's needed the most, you're averaging like .1 kills a game almost! that's why stats don't matter to you man, cuz you suck at this game..sure there isn't much you can do about win% as there are a LOT of fail teams around these days, but your hit ratio, damage, and exp per game (which add up to your efficiency) are important... because that shows what you can do individually, and not as a team.

to add onto this: your stats individually either pull up your team, or pull it down, depending on how you can play co-operativaly with the 14 other players on your team, or how you can be a loen wolf and end up suicidal and failing your team.

PS: Completely agree with 9mm's post as well

[Paladin1]

Both of you are exactly right!!

More often then not... the ones frothing about winrate in a pub match and how little yours is, is nothing but EGO

[Sn0vvman]

same here but i dont care much about stats I care more for teamwork......in the lower tier when there was a big pool of players ppl normaly rolled together just out of not knowing what to do at first....then you get into higher tiers and the teamwork aspect is hard to bring together in pub matches this is what has lowered the amount of time i spend on the game

[AurenNorizawa]

Hi 9mmCapsule!
Got that xvm to work?

And yes, I have to say I also am being consumed by this monster. I doubt I have any of my old self left
Help~

[Puddy70s]

Come for the fun but eventually everyone plays for the stats, I'm just starting to realize this.

[Puddy70s]

9mmCapsule, on Jun 02 2012 - 20:53, said:

As I progressively played more and won more games in WoT, I started to notice my attitude towards this game has changed massively since when I first started this game, which was about 5 months ago .

You have a kolobanovs medal, that's aces in my book

good stats too you should be proud

Edited by Puddy70s, Jun 02 2012 - 21:09.

[BobLoblaw]

People like to see how they are doing.  Everyone's here to have a good time and if you don't care about stats, that's perfectly fine.  But when someone with terrible stats states that "stats have nothing to do with player skill", it's really hard not to call them a moron.

[AsianThunder]

I find checking my stats are a way of trying to improve myself, as the more I win, the better I do, the more I enjoy the game.

[Gath69]

IDK.  I lust to have every end tier tank in my garage.  I have limited time to play, so I want to win and get my x2 on as many tanks as possible in the time I have to play.  I keep an eye on my win rate (51.4%) & efficiency (1243), but mainly to see if I am improving and being a productive member of my teams.  Yes I play primarily pubs, very few clan battles and platoons and next to never in company battles, so I think I do pretty well at 4% more wins than losses.  I look at some of the extremely high efficiency rated players and the 55%+ win rate tankers and notice a common theme 750-1000+ battles in one or more tanks typically a tier VIII premium or their favorite tier IX or X, which my highest # of battles is 310 listed on M103 although almost alk were on the T34 prior to 7.2.  Otherwise I get rid of my tanks once I am passed them there is always something to buy being that I am working on all the current lines with the exception of the chaffee.  I have thhe PII unlocked and the M26 unlocked, but saving credits for the IS-7 & Bat Chat.  I play for fun and enjoyment, but I have a competitive nature and hate losing, so it is what it is.  Don't let the lust drive you mad.

Edit had to add this, I have had 95 tanks in my garage to this point, wow.

[Whee]

Well said 9mm. It's a good thing my motto and mentality is to have fun but even then I try my best to perform better. I mean, after achieving 51% win rate (Laugh at me all you want) I became obsessed with maintaining this win rate and possibly raise it higher. In fact, every time I'm out numbered at a flank or when it's 2-14, I do my best to hold my position down as much as possible.

Lately, when I miss a crucial shot such as resetting the cap, I feel really terrible and guilty because RNG didn't like me and my aim was poor. Weird isn't it huh?

I also often blame myself for the cause of the game's lost. Sometimes I wonder if helping or defending this flank will help. Turns out, sometimes great! sometimes oh shit, the other side is overrunned and then I go into a period of "Dam it, I should have went east instead of west".

Anyways, please try to have fun 9mm. It's not fun anymore if your so serious about winning and stats. May the days be better and fun for you. o7

[JDCollie]

I don't play clan wars, and have no intention of doing so. I'm already in a clan that I enjoy, and I just plain enjoy tanking; I have no reason to care about my stats. *shrug*

[2001ws6]

Puddy70s, on Jun 02 2012 - 21:07, said:

Come for the fun but eventually everyone plays for the stats, I'm just starting to realize this.

I dont think I even cared about stats when i first started. It was about about learning, having fun and hopefully winning.

Now Its about winning and out playing your opponent, which is fun. I'm sure i'm not the only one who puts his all into each battle and when I get a loss because of a player not paying attention it kind of sucks and the fun goes right out of it..

Edited by 2001ws6ta, Jun 02 2012 - 21:33.

[Puddy70s]

2001ws6ta, on Jun 02 2012 - 21:32, said:

I dont think I even cared about stats when i first started. It was about about learning, having fun and hopefully winning.

Now Its about winning and out playing your opponent, which is fun. I'm sure i'm not the only one who puts his all into each battle and when I get a loss because of a player not paying attention it kind of sucks and the fun goes right out of it..

Yeah I hear ya, I play with mates in my clan whom we have been together for years and my commander (I guess that what he is) hates it I mean HATES it when we loose, it's starting to rub off.

[KilgorSoS]

I dont mind taking a loss, but I do mind a loss do to stupid FAILS, there is a difference. The slugfest that comes down to several tanks, and ya lose due to some great tactics employed, or even dumb luck, I can deal, but when it is because of a complete and utter fail, leaving my platoon alive facing 12 enemies, then I get angry.

OP is right when you focus on the stats, and then actually get them, you want to keep them, and henceforth become a slave to them. I have started focussing less on the win, and more on my own tactics to counter the fail team, this has opened up an entirely new aspect of the game, and has made pubs fun again.

Battle starts, discuss our team with platoon mates over TS, and compensate for their predicted fail moves. Now this is getting to be fun, try it.

[Qumefox]

I think I haven't succumbed to this because i've never aspired to be the best in the game.  Yes i'd prefer to win. And yes, i've ranted about long losing streaks that defy probabilities, but in the long run, i'm happy maintaining a 50%.  Actually my goal in WoT isn't to be the best.. It's to be average at every tank in the game and get at least a 50% win rate in them all. heh.

[Sgt_Kachalin]

OP, to you "The Game" of WoT is no more an individual match than the game of Magic: the Gathering is an individual match. Nothing wrong with that, in fact it's one of the strong points of the game, what may give it legs, and why (controversy here, everyone knows my view no need to comment!), things like the RNG and a wide tier spread in pubs are not flaws but strengths.

I don't see this as a lust for anything (no offense, but especially power), as it is just getting way into a game. Well, maybe that is lust...

[NeatoMan]

I feel the same way about my progression, but I don't think I'm as extreme as the op, and I hope I never get to that point.  One thing for sure is I refuse to change my mainly solo approach in favor of boosting stats.  I completely reject the idea of platooning to increase or maintain my win rate.  I especially don't like to platoon out of frustration.  I'd rather like to believe that I can dig myself out of holes.  Whenever I platoon or do company battles with fellow clan members it's because I like them.  Their stats/performance is irrelevant to me.