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harry5518 #1 Posted Jun 10 2012 - 11:41

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i stumbled upon this on Priory_of_Sion's revised tech tree ideas. it had a 130mm gun just like the IS-7. any thoughts on this?

link included with google translate

http://translate.goo...=721&prmd=imvns

cozborniac #2 Posted Jun 10 2012 - 11:44

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nice arty to bad we cant have that in game lol :arta:

harry5518 #3 Posted Jun 10 2012 - 11:54

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View Postcozborniac, on Jun 10 2012 - 11:44, said:

nice arty to bad we cant have that in game lol :arta:

its a tank destroyer not an arty

cozborniac #4 Posted Jun 10 2012 - 12:01

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View Postharry5518, on Jun 10 2012 - 11:54, said:

its a tank destroyer not an arty
it was arty look at the wiki closer lol
it clearly says self propelled gun AKA SPG



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Posted Image Layout of severe ACS "Object 263" Object 263 Classification Self-propelled anti-tank gun /assault gun Combat weight, t 60 Crew , pers. 5 History Manufacturer Posted Image Years of Production In 1950 - one thousand nine hundred fifty-one The number of issued, ea. A model sample Dimensions Length of shell , mm 10,000 Width, mm 3400 Height, mm 2400 Ground clearance , mm 450 Booking Type of armor Steel Forehead, mm / deg. 250 Armament Caliber and brand of the gun 130-mm C-70A Type of gun rifled cannon The length of the barrel , caliber 57.2 Ammunition Gun 14 Sights TS-46 TS-47 Mobility Type of engine [показать]M-50T Engine power, hp. a. 1050 Speed, km / h 55 Cruising on the highway , km 300 Power density, n. a. / t 15.6 Ground pressure,kg / cm ² 0.86 Gradeability deg. 30 Climbing the ford , m 1.5

Edited by cozborniac, Jun 10 2012 - 12:07.


therowman #5 Posted Jun 10 2012 - 12:09

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View Postcozborniac, on Jun 10 2012 - 12:01, said:

it was arty look at the wiki closer lol
it clearly says self propelled gun AKA SPG

Object 263 Classification Self-propelled anti-tank gun /assault gun

Thats a TD. All Turretless TD's are SPG's but not all SPG's are TD's.

Edited by therowman, Jun 10 2012 - 12:11.


cozborniac #6 Posted Jun 10 2012 - 12:10

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then why is it that under some russian pages its called a arty

therowman #7 Posted Jun 10 2012 - 12:16

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View Postcozborniac, on Jun 10 2012 - 12:10, said:

then why is it that under some russian pages its called a arty

Most likely a translation issue.

Take the Russian Tech tree's

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Notice the premium TD's are called SPG's.

dwaindwarf #8 Posted Jun 10 2012 - 12:30

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Its an assualt gun like the Su75 through to Obj 704 . In this game it would be a Tier X TD

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View Postdwaindwarf, on Jun 10 2012 - 12:30, said:

Its an assualt gun like the Su75 through to Obj 704 . In this game it would be a Tier X TD
Object 263 is assault gun like SU-152, but it is closer to SPG, than TD. I don't see it as tier 10 TD becouse it have armor of Object 261, which is tier 8 SPG.
Note Obj 261 - tier 8 SPG, Object 263 - it's Obj261 + 130 mm gun.

Edited by LoooSeR78V, Jun 10 2012 - 13:12.


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View PostLoooSeR78V, on Jun 10 2012 - 13:11, said:

Object 263 is assault gun like SU-152, but it is closer to SPG, than TD. I don't see it as tier 10 TD becouse it have armor of Object 261, which is tier 8 SPG.
Note Obj 261 - tier 8 SPG, Object 263 - it's Obj261 + 130 mm gun.

Well it depends.

If they kept its real ROF then it wouldn't be good at all.

But if it kept the ROF of the Real life Is-7 it would possibly be OP.   490 damage at 8 rounds per min.

XenomorphZZ #11 Posted Aug 02 2012 - 16:24

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I SUMMON GRAND NECROMANCY!

Why? because the Obj 263 is the new tier 10 TD in 8.0 for the USSR.
(http://forum.worldof...ry-patch-notes/)

Also on a note about the term "TD" its never been used officially as a designation, its informal. What we call "TD"s are almost always under the designation "SPG" or Assault Gun as so stated above.

Edited by XenomorphZZ, Aug 02 2012 - 16:24.


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View Posttherowman, on Jun 10 2012 - 12:09, said:

Object 263 Classification Self-propelled anti-tank gun /assault gun

Thats a TD. All Turretless TD's are SPG's but not all SPG's are TD's.
Your all missing the key thing in this picture that clearly defines it as an artillery peice.

Look on the back of the tank at the bottom, what do you see? Its that thing that all artillery peices have in the back that lodge into the ground to help take the shock of the gun fireing.

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View Posttherowman, on Jun 10 2012 - 12:16, said:

Most likely a translation issue.

Take the Russian Tech tree's

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Notice the premium TD's are called SPG's.

I think you need to think about this. If a TD was a SPG then why is it a TD? If you get confused over that then theres our problem. Im sure thats a typo from wargaming. Because SPG's and TDs are 2 totally different things. Hence the names TD and SPG's

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Again, 'TD' is not a official term, its slang. All 'TDs' are self propelled guns in technical terms.

Also, every other vehicle in the new TD line for the USSR is a TD/AT-SPG why would we get an artillery SPG at the end of a TD line?

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View PostTitan89, on Aug 02 2012 - 16:46, said:

I think you need to think about this. If a TD was a SPG then why is it a TD? If you get confused over that then theres our problem. Im sure thats a typo from wargaming. Because SPG's and TDs are 2 totally different things. Hence the names TD and SPG's

In Russian -
SPG : САУ (Self Propelled Artillery)
TD : ПТ-САУ(Anti Tank Self Propelled Artillery)

TD is a kind of SPG in Russian.

XenomorphZZ #16 Posted Aug 02 2012 - 17:11

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Posted Image Obj 263 is a TD / ATSPG.

Edited by XenomorphZZ, Aug 02 2012 - 17:12.


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SPG (self propelled gun) is anything that is not a tank but just a gun on tracks (or wheels sometimes). TDs are considered a type of SPG. Mobile artillery are as well.

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View Postcozborniac, on Jun 10 2012 - 12:01, said:

it was arty look at the wiki closer lol
it clearly says self propelled gun AKA SPG



- Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


                                        Posted Image                                            Layout of severe ACS "Object 263"                                            Object 263                                            Classification                            Self-propelled anti-tank gun /assault gun                                            Combat weight, t                            60                                            Crew , pers.                            5                                            History                                            Manufacturer                            Posted Image                                            Years of Production                            In 1950 - one thousand nine hundred fifty-one                                            The number of issued, ea.                            A model sample                                            Dimensions                                            Length of shell , mm                            10,000                                            Width, mm                            3400                                            Height, mm                            2400                                            Ground clearance , mm                            450                                            Booking                                            Type of armor                            Steel                                            Forehead, mm / deg.                            250                                            Armament                                            Caliber and brand of the gun                            130-mm C-70A                                            Type of gun                            rifled cannon                                            The length of the barrel , caliber                            57.2                                            Ammunition Gun                            14                                            Sights                            TS-46 TS-47                                            Mobility                                            Type of engine                                                                                                                                    [показать]M-50T                                                                                                                    Engine power, hp. a.                            1050                                            Speed, km / h                            55                                            Cruising on the highway , km                            300                                            Power density, n. a. / t                            15.6                                            Ground pressure,kg / cm ²                            0.86                                            Gradeability deg.                            30                                            Climbing the ford , m                            1.5            

A self propelled gun can be mobile artillery or assault guns, assault guns provide support with DIRECT fire (tanks like the ISU-152, KV2, 704) while artillery provides INDIRECT.

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View PostXenomorphZZ, on Aug 02 2012 - 16:24, said:

I SUMMON GRAND NECROMANCY!

Why? because the Obj 263 is the new tier 10 TD in 8.0 for the USSR.
(http://forum.worldof...ry-patch-notes/)

Also on a note about the term "TD" its never been used officially as a designation, its informal. What we call "TD"s are almost always under the designation "SPG" or Assault Gun as so stated above.

this will be interesting. looks like the devs saw my post :)

LoooSeR78V #20 Posted Aug 04 2012 - 08:14

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I was wrong about Object 263... I'm such a noob :Smile_veryhappy:

Per SerB words Object 263 will have up to 250 mm frontal armor! :Smile_ohmy: