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Mow_Mow #1 Posted Jun 29 2012 - 23:13

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As can be seen here, courtesy of the kind person who first posted this in the General Discussion forum.
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As you can see, according to this tree, Germany will have

TWO Tank destroyer trees
TWO heavy tank trees
TWO medium tank trees
and the regular tier 8 arty tree that all the other nations also have.

Germany now will have the most end tier tanks, as well has having the most tanks in general. USSR will have only one tier 10 medium tank as well as a tier 10 tank destroyer (may be included later), France will only have one tier 10 TD tree, and the USA will only have one heavy tank tree as well as one medium tank tree (indications are that it may receive a second medium tank tree). The brits are likely to have only one medium tank tree as well, but no one knows about them at this point.

I will also like to point out that the American tree has now been completely obsoleted and made useless by the Leopard I, introduced in 1965. At the same tier is the tier 10 M48 Patton, introduced in 1953. We can also point to the M46 Patton (1951) being obsoleted by the Leopard prototype at tier 9 (1959). The Leopard I was introduced to replace the M48 Patton in service for West Germany, yet in this game they are equal tier. In other words, the USA tanks are now facing tanks that were far ahead in technological development. There is a full 12 years between M48 and Leopard, even more than the 10 years between Maus and T110, or the 4 years between Maus and IS-7 (1944 vs. 1948). Or even the Maus and AMX-50B (1944 vs. 1951). American tanks will now have to compete against mid cold war German tanks 10 years ahead of them, meaning they are completely outmatched in technology. Complete German bias on the part of the developers. Even the T-62A (1957-1960) has between 5 and 8 years between it and the Leopard. Hell, even the tier 9 Leopard prototype is the same time frame as the T-62A (~1959).

Also, the new German TDs at tier 10 both have 170mm guns, far larger than the 152/155mm gun carried by Object 268, AMX-50 Foch, and T110E3/E4. This means they have extremely high firepower while also carrying great armor as well. The casemate E-100 does not have any significant weak point above its lower hull, while the Foch has the rangefinders and the T110s have tumors, and flat casemate faces. The open top E-100 will probably have huge gun depression and great arc on the gun, for 1000 alpha damage. The Germans get a tier 10 gun at the very least, a gun that is even better than the JT's gun which is already better than the T30's gun - the T110s keep the T30's gun, but the E-100 TDs will get TWO guns that are both better than the T30's gun. On top of that the E-100 TDs will have better armor (at least the casemate version) than the T110s. Where is this anti-German bias??

*puts on flame suit*
someone asked me to post this so I did lol

Edited by Mow_Mow, Jun 29 2012 - 23:15.


PSYCO_GANG #2 Posted Jun 29 2012 - 23:17

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You are either ignorant about how balancing works or really dumb.

BandofBrothers101 #3 Posted Jun 29 2012 - 23:17

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View PostMow_Mow, on Jun 29 2012 - 23:13, said:

Also, the new German TDs at tier 10 both have 170mm guns

according to my sources, the Waffentrager E100 is either gonna get some seriously buffed 128 gun, or a long bore 15 cm gun, not a 17 cm gun

View PostMow_Mow, on Jun 29 2012 - 23:13, said:

. This means they have extremely high firepower while also carrying great armor as well.
Great armor on a german tank? :facepalmic::facepalmic:

Priory_of_Sion #4 Posted Jun 29 2012 - 23:18

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Dates do not make a tank obsolete. Think of the M48 as an AK-47 and the Leopard 1 as the M16, both are great weapons and are equal even if the M16 was made 15 years later. The US tree can be significantly bigger by around 50-70 new vehicles and who really knows what is in store for the Russians (3rd heavy line?).

Whoever told you to make this post, slap them.

Edited by Priory_of_Sion, Jun 29 2012 - 23:20.


HOTA_CHATON #5 Posted Jun 29 2012 - 23:20

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Wait, I am now confused.  I thought there was Russian Bias.  Is that what I get for thinking?  WOW, when did it switch around?  Who decided this and didn't
bother to tell us?

XenomorphZZ #6 Posted Jun 29 2012 - 23:20

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View PostPriory_of_Sion, on Jun 29 2012 - 23:18, said:

Dates do not make a tank obsolete. Think of the M48 as an AK-47 and the Leopard 1 as the M16, both are great weapons and are equal even if the M16 was made 15 years later. The US tree can be significantly bigger by around 50-70 new vehicles and who really knows what is in store for the Russians (3rd heavy line?).

oh oh oh and the AMX 30 is the FN FAL?

Edited by XenomorphZZ, Jun 29 2012 - 23:21.


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View PostPSYCO_GANG, on Jun 29 2012 - 23:17, said:

You are either ignorant about how balancing works or really dumb.

Or both.

_Leo_Major #8 Posted Jun 29 2012 - 23:24

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View PostPSYCO_GANG, on Jun 29 2012 - 23:17, said:

You are either ignorant about how balancing works or really dumb.
im thinking both..

BandofBrothers101 #9 Posted Jun 29 2012 - 23:27

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View PostXenomorphZZ, on Jun 29 2012 - 23:20, said:

oh oh oh and the AMX 30 is the FN FAL?
FN fal was created 2 years after the 47 lol...and the m16 quite a bit later, not sure what you're trying to prove

PzAbt505 #10 Posted Jun 29 2012 - 23:28

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View PostPSYCO_GANG, on Jun 29 2012 - 23:17, said:

You are either ignorant about how balancing works or really dumb.

View Postcheesellama, on Jun 29 2012 - 23:20, said:

Or both.

neither this is a big attempt at trolling lol. and a pretty good one.

well played mow_mow :Smile_teethhappy:

XenomorphZZ #11 Posted Jun 29 2012 - 23:28

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Its a Troap.

Whee #12 Posted Jun 29 2012 - 23:29

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Lol Mow_Mow...

reallyawsome #13 Posted Jun 29 2012 - 23:35

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View PostPriory_of_Sion, on Jun 29 2012 - 23:18, said:

Whoever told you to make this post, slap them.
LISTEN TO THIS WISE MAN!

FaustianQ #14 Posted Jun 29 2012 - 23:51

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So wait, it's okay for German players to decry tanks made 10 years in the future, but if someone else does it, holy shit they must be retarded! And dense! And retarded!

Double standards, hypocrisy, bad@tanks, hidden agenda or you really all are what SerB calls you. Pick your poison.

XenomorphZZ #15 Posted Jun 29 2012 - 23:53

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Blond knight of the ** can go shod off?

Lert #16 Posted Jun 29 2012 - 23:58

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The main reason that there will eventually be so many german tanks in wot is because germany had so many crazy crackpot designs that fit well within wot gameplay and balance.

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View PostXenomorphZZ, on Jun 29 2012 - 23:53, said:

Blond knight of the ** can go shod off?

I have nothing personal against Germany or it's "heroes", I take issue with the ethics displayed in this thread. I'd be in it to win it if Russian players were to throw around strawmen and ad hominem to cover up being bad@tanks.

Let Bar know I'll get a check in the mail.

PzAbt505 #18 Posted Jun 30 2012 - 00:03

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View PostFaustianQ, on Jun 29 2012 - 23:51, said:

So wait, it's okay for German players to decry tanks made 10 years in the future, but if someone else does it, holy shit they must be retarded! And dense! And retarded!

Double standards, hypocrisy, bad@tanks, hidden agenda or you really all are what SerB calls you. Pick your poison.

oh go sit on it! Americans and Russians have post-war tanks and they added nearly an entire tree of 1950s+ tanks! *cough* french *cough*
we are entitled to atleast one lol. besides, the leopard is going to go down in 4-5 hits like the amx series, its designed in the era of "first to shoot wins"
its not going to be the big bad boogie man tank people are saying / hoping it will be..

XenomorphZZ #19 Posted Jun 30 2012 - 00:10

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View PostFaustianQ, on Jun 29 2012 - 23:58, said:

I have nothing personal against Germany or it's "heroes", I take issue with the ethics displayed in this thread. I'd be in it to win it if Russian players were to throw around strawmen and ad hominem to cover up being bad@tanks.

Let Bar know I'll get a check in the mail.

WELL THEN...

Uhh... what now.

Edited by XenomorphZZ, Jun 30 2012 - 00:30.


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You all know what the first tank to ever recieve a 3D model in WoT was?

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