Good Platoon= Loss for Opposing Team
UgliElmo
Jul 04 2012
Howdy Gandalf 
As you well know, even a strong platoon cannot always win the day in pub matches. It might increase your chances of winning by a certain percentage, but there are a lot of random variables and just plain luck, that come into play. Some nights I find I am running into tanks which I can pen and kill easily and other nights it seems I only run into higher tier tanks which I have only a slim chance of pen/killing or running away from (hehe). Also, there are those rare occasions when you have teamkillers and trolls on your team, which lower your chance of winning considerably.
Overall, I think having a good platoon, might increase your chances of winning by 5 to 10% from the mean.
One of these days, maybe we can platoon up again. Had fun the couple of times we played together.
As you well know, even a strong platoon cannot always win the day in pub matches. It might increase your chances of winning by a certain percentage, but there are a lot of random variables and just plain luck, that come into play. Some nights I find I am running into tanks which I can pen and kill easily and other nights it seems I only run into higher tier tanks which I have only a slim chance of pen/killing or running away from (hehe). Also, there are those rare occasions when you have teamkillers and trolls on your team, which lower your chance of winning considerably.
Overall, I think having a good platoon, might increase your chances of winning by 5 to 10% from the mean.
One of these days, maybe we can platoon up again. Had fun the couple of times we played together.
VegasRon
Jul 04 2012
Garbad posted a day or two ago about how the devs were going to up the MM for platoons. But after doing their research, they came to the conclusion that, over time, platoons didn't have enough effect on the game's outcomes to warrant it. I'm paraphrasing.
JohnGaltCobraCommander
Jul 04 2012
VegasRon, on Jul 04 2012 - 08:26, said:
Garbad posted a day or two ago about how the devs were going to up the MM for platoons. But after doing their research, they came to the conclusion that, over time, platoons didn't have enough effect on the game's outcomes to warrant it. I'm paraphrasing.
Devs look at stats like a bunch of twelve year olds.
The average platoon does not do any better than the average solo pub. This is because bad players do worse while good players do better. Want to know why some players are capable of reaching 29% win rates in certain top tier tanks after hundreds of games? It is because the form super equally bad platoons. While on the other end Garbad can get 80% win rates consistently. Things average out over the entire community but the spread becomes much looser.
_Goliard
Jul 04 2012
VegasRon, on Jul 04 2012 - 08:26, said:
Garbad posted a day or two ago about how the devs were going to up the MM for platoons. But after doing their research, they came to the conclusion that, over time, platoons didn't have enough effect on the game's outcomes to warrant it. I'm paraphrasing.
Unsurprisingly, players tend to platoon with players of roughly equal skill. Or that's at least my experience from running XVM.
And a platoon of 41% players has the same impact as a platoon of 56% players, only inversly so. And for some reason, terribad platoons love tier 10 tanks.
CodeNameSly
Jul 04 2012
Valkner, on Jul 04 2012 - 00:09, said:
A good platoon can carry the team and win. In fact, that is what we do 90% of the time. Here is an example of just the other day us getting all 15 of the kills. Our team and their team was so bad that it was hilarious and sad at the same time.
I liked the part where they let the three AMXs come all the way up mid and kill me.
a_hippie
Jul 04 2012
SkunkButt, on Jul 03 2012 - 05:11, said:
Some platoons are only good because their clan holds like half the territory and get gold showered upon them, so they by nothing but gold ammo and spam it even in pubs.
Such are twinksters concerned only with winning at any and all costs... and you'll see them in their little clusters, or entire company battles stocked with them... but they deserve about as much respect as that Maus moron who trundles across the open in the first 30 seconds on campanovka.
Overall, many platoons are just a shave better than an average trio who are simply working together... because the platoon (one would hope) has comms and the others don't.
Such are twinksters concerned only with winning at any and all costs... and you'll see them in their little clusters, or entire company battles stocked with them... but they deserve about as much respect as that Maus moron who trundles across the open in the first 30 seconds on campanovka.
Overall, many platoons are just a shave better than an average trio who are simply working together... because the platoon (one would hope) has comms and the others don't.
Thank you for the sage advice, Mr. Trollbutt, who having a grand total of 30 battles under his belt, was kind enough to share some of his expert knowledge on clans, platoons and tactics.
Kaeldian
Jul 04 2012
What's truly scary is when you get a platoon of Arty that is activly focusing fire. Used to do that when I ran with Sons Of Guns for a short time.
"Focus on my Target, the E75"
*seconds pass*
"Ready!"
"Ready!"
"Rounds out!"
*sounds of pissed off E75 driver who's just been vaporized by a volley from top tier arty*
Now that, is OP
"Focus on my Target, the E75"
*seconds pass*
"Ready!"
"Ready!"
"Rounds out!"
*sounds of pissed off E75 driver who's just been vaporized by a volley from top tier arty*
Now that, is OP
KilgorSoS
Jul 04 2012
SkunkButt, on Jul 03 2012 - 05:11, said:
Some platoons are only good because their clan holds like half the territory and get gold showered upon them, so they by nothing but gold ammo and spam it even in pubs.
Such are twinksters concerned only with winning at any and all costs... and you'll see them in their little clusters, or entire company battles stocked with them... but they deserve about as much respect as that Maus moron who trundles across the open in the first 30 seconds on campanovka.
Overall, many platoons are just a shave better than an average trio who are simply working together... because the platoon (one would hope) has comms and the others don't.
Such are twinksters concerned only with winning at any and all costs... and you'll see them in their little clusters, or entire company battles stocked with them... but they deserve about as much respect as that Maus moron who trundles across the open in the first 30 seconds on campanovka.
Overall, many platoons are just a shave better than an average trio who are simply working together... because the platoon (one would hope) has comms and the others don't.
Hmmmm your SIG has a nifty pic of an M18 victory with bells and whistle awards, YET, "SkunkButt" has 30 battles.....Sad that you are so friggin spineless that you need to create an alternate account to cry on the forums.....So very Sad.
KilgorSoS
Jul 04 2012
Looking at my Tank-Tracker data one thing pops out...I will play solo here and there, i.e running my Tier4 french arty, or Tier8 TD's, etc..BUT, I only run my Tier10 tanks when I have my platoon together.
Tier10 battles for the past 24hr/7day/30day are 60%/61%/64% WR. worst crap that's been creaming my WR, is running some low tiers solo, i.e Churchill, etc. So I am convinced that Platooning is the best way to take on pubs and even care about WR.
Tier10 battles for the past 24hr/7day/30day are 60%/61%/64% WR. worst crap that's been creaming my WR, is running some low tiers solo, i.e Churchill, etc. So I am convinced that Platooning is the best way to take on pubs and even care about WR.
UgliElmo
Jul 05 2012
Since I use my account to help new and low tier players level up their tanks, I have found my win rate actually increases when I do solo pubs. If I find my win rate dropping precipitously, I normally play some solo pubs to help get it back to an acceptable level for me.
Oddly, I find I am a better TD player, than med. or hvy. tanker. I find I am proficient up to level 6 or so, but I have not put many games into my tier 7s, 8s, and 9s, yet to really get a good indicator of my success at those levels. Some of my tanks in that category are not fully upgraded yet.
Though I am wondering if it is easier to win solo in low to mid tier matches, while in higher tier matches it would be easier to win when platooned? I guess I will have to wait until I have a 1000 or so high tier games under my belt before I can answer that.
The main reason I do not play high tier matches right now is I feel I am more of a detriment to my team in my stock, or slightly upgraded tank, with its inexperienced crew, than in a low-to-mid tier game. I still can damage things but not take over a match when necessary, like I can sometimes do in my lower tier tanks.
Oddly, I find I am a better TD player, than med. or hvy. tanker. I find I am proficient up to level 6 or so, but I have not put many games into my tier 7s, 8s, and 9s, yet to really get a good indicator of my success at those levels. Some of my tanks in that category are not fully upgraded yet.
Though I am wondering if it is easier to win solo in low to mid tier matches, while in higher tier matches it would be easier to win when platooned? I guess I will have to wait until I have a 1000 or so high tier games under my belt before I can answer that.
The main reason I do not play high tier matches right now is I feel I am more of a detriment to my team in my stock, or slightly upgraded tank, with its inexperienced crew, than in a low-to-mid tier game. I still can damage things but not take over a match when necessary, like I can sometimes do in my lower tier tanks.
BlackCompany
Jul 05 2012
Gandalf_the_Grey, on Jul 03 2012 - 02:08, said:
In conclusion, we see that one good platoon can screw over a whole team of selfish scrubs and squeaking platoons. Of course, the chance of ending up in consecutive battles with such experienced players is slim, and I should just get better at tanks. However, it would be nice if matchmaker took into account not only tank stats, but also player global rating, efficiency, win rate, SURVIVAL RATE DAMNIT, etc. I think that would make things much better. If you guys have any opinions, please tell me below. Thanks!
Well, matchmaker still cant even out the teams by tier, I've seen grossly imbalanced games like one side having 2 extra arty, tier 8 arty for that matter.
If MM cant figure out to evenly balance the tiers and arty evenly consistently, I wouldnt even want to get into a more complex scenario.
