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ComradeHX #21 Posted Jul 09 2012 - 02:51

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Those are not real bad tanks.

A-20 and 38na are REAL bad tanks mostly due to matchmaking.

CaptainCool309 #22 Posted Jul 09 2012 - 03:43

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There are is no such thing as a bad tank in this game, just a bunch of noobs who drive the tank wrong and then blame the tank for thier own incompetence.

ComradeHX #23 Posted Jul 09 2012 - 05:37

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View PostCaptainCool309, on Jul 09 2012 - 03:43, said:

There are is no such thing as a bad tank in this game, just a bunch of noobs who drive the tank wrong and then blame the tank for thier own incompetence.
A-20.

T-50 just does everything A-20 does, but better.  Both Soviet, both tier 4.

CaptainCool309 #24 Posted Jul 09 2012 - 19:48

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View PostComradeHX, on Jul 09 2012 - 05:37, said:

A-20.

T-50 just does everything A-20 does, but better.  Both Soviet, both tier 4.
So what you think is that just because you think the t-50 is "superior" to the a-20, that automaticlly the a-20 is a bad tank? Give me a freaking break! It's not about the tanks at all. It's about the drivers. I don't care if you think that the a-20 is a piece of trash, if THE DRIVER of the tank knows what he's doing then he can make something happen with that a-20. A tank is a tank. If the driver knows how to use its strengths to his advantage and tries his best to avoid the tank's weaknesses, then he can make the very best of any tank.

ComradeHX #25 Posted Jul 10 2012 - 04:01

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View PostCaptainCool309, on Jul 09 2012 - 19:48, said:

So what you think is that just because you think the t-50 is "superior" to the a-20, that automaticlly the a-20 is a bad tank? Give me a freaking break! It's not about the tanks at all. It's about the drivers. I don't care if you think that the a-20 is a piece of trash, if THE DRIVER of the tank knows what he's doing then he can make something happen with that a-20. A tank is a tank. If the driver knows how to use its strengths to his advantage and tries his best to avoid the tank's weaknesses, then he can make the very best of any tank.
Skill does not factor into comparing tanks.

Because fact is a good driver is going to do better with a better tank.

And I do not think T-50 is superior, I know T-50 is superior because I grind through A-20(also elited it) without using free exp and used T-50 with full equipment.

A-20's matchmaking makes it have no useful strength over T-50 but plenty more weaknesses to cause more fail.

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CaptainCool309 #26 Posted Jul 10 2012 - 19:50

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I guess ignorance is bliss for you ComradeHX. And I'm putting that VERY NICELY cause I could call you a lot of naughty words that civilized gentlemen shouldn't say to others. You believe your "opinions" are 100% fact and I just can't respect you for that. I believe that you elited your a-20, but can you think of someone besides yourself for once? I've played the a-20 in 191 battles so i know just as much if not more on that particular tank than you do. And I know that the a-20 gets a little better matchmaking than the t-50. Point being that the a-20 can be top dog in a tier 4 match where t-50's are never in tier 4 battles, just tier 5 and above. Sure the a-20 get's in a bit more tier 8's and 9 battles than the t-50, but being a top dog in a tier 4 battle makes up for that. I know that my argument will not make an impact on you because whatever you say is the 100% absolute truth. (Sarcasm there if you didn't pick it up)

viking_power #27 Posted Jul 10 2012 - 19:59

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Can you tell us what the AMX 40 and the BDR teach us :Smile-hiding:

CaptainCool309 #28 Posted Jul 11 2012 - 03:58

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Who me or him? I can definately make a case for the Bdg G1b, the amx 40 not so much, but it still has some advantages.

Das_Schlippo #29 Posted Jul 12 2012 - 16:48

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Bad tanks force you to modify your tactics.  They keep you thinking outside the box and they show you that there are many, many different ways to play this game and have an effect on each round's outcome.  Grinding an M3 Lee has actually helped me become much more efficient with tank destroyers, because that's the role I fill in a Lee.

paradat #30 Posted Jul 12 2012 - 19:53

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great post +1 sir

CaptainCool309 #31 Posted Jul 12 2012 - 19:54

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Great Post Das_Schlippo. I agree with you 100%

Mazimer #32 Posted Jul 13 2012 - 05:21

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pz 38na

the tank just plain outright *bleep* sucks.
no good accel, no turning ability, no gun, *bleep* sucks.
end of debate.


a20 is not as good as t50 but i've been able to kill 5 arties with it before the enemy could respond while i was grinding it... but it still sucked pretty hard

Edited by Mazimer, Jul 13 2012 - 05:23.


Das_Schlippo #33 Posted Jul 13 2012 - 14:59

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I was using my Lee this morning, and while hiding in a bush TD style, I got in a shot on an engaged T29 and set it on fire.  If that bad tank didn't force me to come up with a way to be useful, I'd be crying that my tank was useless against tier 7's like all of the other whiners in pregame chat. :Smile-tongue:

No tank is truly useless!

Yourgrandmother #34 Posted Jul 13 2012 - 15:42

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I don't understand how you can defend the A-20. I also elited both my T-50 and A-20 and as said by previous posters match making is what makes the A-20 an inferiour tank. It was designed to be more sturdy than the t-50 with a more powerful (yet less accurate gun) but facing t7's constantly your horrible acceleration and subpar agility means you are a much crappier t-50 scout.

I may not be a great player but I consider my scout tanks to be my strongest forte, for some reason efficiency on both my t-50 and t-50-2 are near 2,000 so I think I know what I'm talking about here.

Das_Schlippo #35 Posted Jul 13 2012 - 15:58

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I spent most of my time in an A-20 passively scouting, or as I like to call it, actively hiding.

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+1 for adept use of the adjective "freaken" and most appropriate Kitten pic.

Great post!

NoldatESG #37 Posted Jul 13 2012 - 16:24

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I'd recommend playing some TDs before you do the The M3 Lee grind, because the M3 is a TD in all but name.  My first grind on it (to get the T1) was awful, the 2nd grind to get the M4, which I did after some TDs, wasn't fun by any means, but I moved through it fairly fast.  It's traverse range is not good, but the gun has good pop for it's tier and it has a good reload time.

The T28 isn't a good tank.  The first time I tried grinding it I gave up.  I'm grinding it again now, and now that my skills have improved, and I've got the top gun, I'm eeking out the XP at a decent pace to get though the grind.  Until you upgrade the stock gun, it's a really bad tank.

I do not get classifying the T29 as a bad tank.  Once you've got the 105 and an engine upgrade, it's the best tier 7 heavy IMO.  The stock engine makes it particularly slow, so it is an arty magnet, but at that level, arty is dangerous to every tank out in the open.  Play it smart, don't waste your shots, and you'll love it.  When you're up against tier 8,9,10 tanks, you're probably going to get owned, but every tier 7 tank is usually going to get pounded in those situations.  When tier 7 is the highest tier in the game, you can at times totally dominate a game with that 105 and powerful turret armor.  It is a major cash cow for me wh when I need to up my credits.

CaptainCool309 #38 Posted Jul 13 2012 - 19:10

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View PostYourgrandmother, on Jul 13 2012 - 15:42, said:

I don't understand how you can defend the A-20. I also elited both my T-50 and A-20 and as said by previous posters match making is what makes the A-20 an inferiour tank. It was designed to be more sturdy than the t-50 with a more powerful (yet less accurate gun) but facing t7's constantly your horrible acceleration and subpar agility means you are a much crappier t-50 scout.

I may not be a great player but I consider my scout tanks to be my strongest forte, for some reason efficiency on both my t-50 and t-50-2 are near 2,000 so I think I know what I'm talking about here.

Hahahahahaha! Ah I love how people are Negative posting me :Smile_veryhappy: Just cause I state my own opinions on why I think the a-20 is a decent tank. BTW I really like this Das_Schilppo guy. He's got some good post here and I really respect him for that. As for yourgrandmother and comradeHX  I understand you love the t-50 series. But I hope you can understand my love for the a-20. You guys can say all you want about why the a-20 sucks and why other tanks suck, but I think i'm just going to refuse to listen. I love the a-20, the m3 Lee, pz38na, the B1, and all those other tanks people hate on, and  if you guys have a problem with that, you can go F*** yourself :Smile_Default: Have a nice day everyone and I wish to all of you have great success in whatever tank you decide to drive.

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View PostCaptainCool309, on Jul 09 2012 - 19:48, said:

So what you think is that just because you think the t-50 is "superior" to the a-20, that automaticlly the a-20 is a bad tank?

Actually that is the opinion of the majority of the community, including all the best players who are much better tankers than you or me.

View PostCaptainCool309, on Jul 09 2012 - 19:48, said:

It's not about the tanks at all.

Yes it is.  Some tanks are more capable than others.

View PostCaptainCool309, on Jul 09 2012 - 19:48, said:

A tank is a tank. If the driver knows how to use its strengths to his advantage and tries his best to avoid the tank's weaknesses, then he can make the very best of any tank.

This is true.  A good driver in a bad tank can often outplay a bad driver in a better tank.  But a good driver will also consistently do better in a good tank over a bad tank.

View PostCaptainCool309, on Jul 13 2012 - 19:10, said:

But I hope you can understand my love for the a-20.

No one is saying you can't love and enjoy the A-20. Good to hear you are having fun with it. But when the A-20 is stacked up by comparison to other tanks of its tier/class (the example of the T-50 has been given) it is simply not as capable overall. This is why it gets called a "bad" tank.

View PostCaptainCool309, on Jul 13 2012 - 19:10, said:

You guys can say all you want about why the a-20 sucks and why other tanks suck, but I think i'm just going to refuse to listen. I love the a-20, the m3 Lee, pz38na, the B1, and all those other tanks people hate on, and if you guys have a problem with that, you can go F*** yourself :Smile_Default:

Sweet attitude. (Sarcasm there if you didn't pick it up)  Nobody cares whether or not you love those tanks.  At the end of the day the A-20 is a bad tank.

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View Postdualmaster333, on Jul 13 2012 - 20:18, said:

Actually that is the opinion of the majority of the community, including all the best players who are much better tankers than you or me


Yes it is.  Some tanks are more capable than others.

This is true.  A good driver in a bad tank can often outplay a bad driver in a better tank.  But a good driver will also consistently do better in a good tank over a bad tank.

No one is saying you can't love and enjoy the A-20. Good to hear you are having fun with it. But when the A-20 is stacked up by comparison to other tanks of its tier/class (the example of the T-50 has been given) it is simply not as capable overall. This is why it gets called a "bad" tank.

Sweet attitude. (Sarcasm there if you didn't pick it up)  Nobody cares whether or not you love those tanks.  At the end of the day the A-20 is a bad tank.

I understand that many players feel that the t-50 is superior to the a-20, and frankly I believe that too. The Point I'm trying to make is at the end of the day, the a-20 is not a bad tank, it really just depends on how good the driver is. Many of you (and me) believe that a good driver is going to do better with a better tank. Well no dip sherlock.....What takes some real skill is being able to have success and good times in so called "inferior" tanks like the a-20. In this game I am a firm believer that there is no such thing as a perfect tank, and a completely useless piece of S***. Even though the t-50 is superior to the a-20, the a-20 has its upsides and that's why I refuse to call it a bad tank.

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