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The M6, possibly the best Tier 6 heavy.


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Sittingduck75 #1 Posted Jul 11 2012 - 22:54

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I have recently had several discussions on tier 6 heavy tanks and which is “best.”  Let me start to say “best” doesn’t exist, at least now that the KV3 isn’t tier 6 anymore.   tanks have strengths and weaknesses and using them to your advantage you should be able to rule in any tank.

Now with the “best” disclaimer out of the way.

Why I think the M6 is the best T6 heavy.

Power to weight ratio.  The M6 climb hills quickly and accelerates quickly, for a heavy.   The KV-1S is faster but the M6 can take advantage of hills and terrain to out maneuver a KV-1S.

The gun depression is good.  You can climb hills faster and fight on them better.  Hull down is an American standard and use it often.

You have more hit points then any other T6.  In a heavy taking a beating is mandatory and a high hp pool helps.

You have two gunners.  You can loose a gunner and the tank doesn’t suffer.  Also you can split your skills and perks to get a double the benefit.  Dead eye and snap shot are my choice.

You can mount the very nice 90 mm.  There are better guns at T6 but the 90 is totally solid at this tier.  Accurate, penetration, and rate of fire make this all around good gun at T6.  And if you want to be silly you can mount the M1A2.  This gun has one of the highest dpm and rate of fire in the game.  With HE you can keep any tank permi tracked, or with gold you can lay waste to most any tank.  Sadly the pen without gold the M1A2 is substandard.

The very high profile of this tank is advantage.  This is an advantage because you can shoot over most tanks, cars, and several other terrain features.

The front armor isn’t bad, the sides and back are bad.  102/44/41 mm.  People will state the M6 has many frontal weak spots, its not many, its one big one.  Its not that its weak its that it is flat, and 102 mm wont stop most T6 guns.  M6 requires you to angle your armor by turning your tank, if your exposed.  But don’t expose yourself, go hull down, and your turret will bounce much.  All that said you front armor is much better then your side armor.  Always keep your front at your opponent.

The view range is respectable at 350 and better then any other T6 heavy.  As a heavy you shouldn’t be seeing tanks first but if you have too, the M6     will do it first.  Seeing targets first will let you choose when an where to fight.

The very last and best reason the M6 is a great tank, IT LETS YOU UNLOCK THE VERY SUPREMELY WONDERFUL T29.

KlingonSpoonPosition #2 Posted Jul 11 2012 - 22:55

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Now that KV-3 is tier 7. Yes M6 is the best. :)

tourmentor0 #3 Posted Jul 11 2012 - 22:59

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Yes, with the absence of the KV-3 as a tier 6 heavy. The M6 is definitively up there. Personally I favor the KV-1S over my M6 but the M6 over the KV-2, and T-150!

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do you think the VK3601H is/will be good competition for the M6? i mean theyre almost identicle stat wise.

Tupinambis #5 Posted Jul 11 2012 - 23:11

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I will say that the 90mm M3 is by far better than the other guns on the rival tier 6 heavies, at least in most situations. The 152mm derp is an exception.

The KV-1S's 122mm gun and the ARL-44's 90mm DCA 45 suffer from SHOCKINGLY bad soft stats [the ARL-44, in particular, as the worst soft stats of any non-SPG in the entire game]. The 122mm gun itself is tied for being have the worst accuracy of any non-derp gun in the game.
Both of these guns have abysmal DPM ratings.

The 107mm ZiS 6 and the very similar 105mm gun on the ARL-44 also suffer from very bad aim times. The DPM isn't as bad, but they both have inferior accuracy and virtually no penetration advantage.

The M6's 90mm gun is simply a much better, versatile, more reliable damage dealer

Edited by Tupinambis, Jul 11 2012 - 23:11.


masterzjg #6 Posted Jul 11 2012 - 23:20

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This is my opinion, but with tier 6 have the worst MM (replacing tier 5's, which had battle tier reduced). Since it's so, it's not about tier 6 tanks vs tier 6 tanks, but tier 6 tanks against tier 8,9, and 10 tanks. Thefore THE best tier 6 is the kv2 equiped with Derp. 2 Kv2's with derps (say waiting around a corner, or coming at you) will put the fear of good into ANY tank. No matter what tier, or the amount of armor. Frontally or not. In a 1 on 1 battle it'll lose a battle with any t tank (tier 5's and below excluded). However, it's ability to damage every signle tank (evern those 4 tiers above it, from the FRONT) makes it unrivaled.

Edited by masterzjg, Jul 11 2012 - 23:37.


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View Postmasterzjg, on Jul 11 2012 - 23:20, said:

This is my opinion, but with tier 6 have the worst MM (replacing tier 5's, which had battle tier reduced). Since it's so, it's not about tier 6 tanks vs tier 6 tanks, but tier 6 tanks against tier 8,9, and 10 tanks. Thefore THE best tier 6 is the kv2 equiped with Derp. 2 Kv2's with derps (say waiting around a corner, or coming at you) will put the fear of good into ANY tank. No matter what tier, or the amount of armor.
especially tanks in the IS line that are so prone to losing crew members, 2 152 shells hitting you really messes you up!

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"do you think the VK3601H is/will be good competition for the M6? i mean theyre almost identicle stat wise."

yes and no.  I love the 3601 but the gun depression is bad.  M6 can win by using hills.  If there are no hills the 3601 is better.

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M6 Heavy is a solid tank, just way too large profile.

But i still preffer the KV-1S.

darkdog9 #10 Posted Jul 11 2012 - 23:54

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M6 is not bad but imo the kv1s in the right hands is more useful.

This is the best i was able to do with m6
http://mwreplays.com...y/SZIFBEZCND0K/

Sonos #11 Posted Jul 12 2012 - 22:58

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I was really struggling with this tank until the 90mm.  Now my exp/credits earned are more reasonable and I'm adding more to the fight.

Neogenex #12 Posted Jul 13 2012 - 04:54

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I've played many games in my M6 and love it. Even in tier 10 battles its fun. I have has battles in tier 10 matches and pissed off many tier 10 drivers..."how the hell does a M6 bounce my shots!" Most tier 10 drivers just point and aim at tier 6 tanks...big mistake when all they can see is my bouncy turret. Overall, the M6 is one of my favorite tanks...I even favored it over the KV-3 when it was tier 6, and of course, I for a lot of "you are and idiot" and "Noob" comments. But it fits my playstyle better than the slow KV-3 did, so I really didn't care. :)

LHunt132 #13 Posted Jul 14 2012 - 05:30

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I hated my T1, but absolutely loved my M6...I think because I learned how to hull down with this tank. I think it's a great, underestimated T6 tank.

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View PostSittingduck75, on Jul 11 2012 - 23:29, said:

"do you think the VK3601H is/will be good competition for the M6? i mean theyre almost identicle stat wise."

yes and no.  I love the 3601 but the gun depression is bad.  M6 can win by using hills.  If there are no hills the 3601 is better.

I recently started playing the T1 and M6 testing to find another money maker in my garage. I have almost 3000 games played in VK 3601 because it is my money maker. The T1 and M6 play very closely to the VK. Though I give a slight advantage to the 90mm on the M6, but I'll know more after I've got another 100 or so games in the M6...LOL

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The 3601 is a medium and M6 a heavy. That's the main difference imo. Other than that, they are both great tanks and fun to play. The M6 is highly, highly underestimated though. In capable hands, this tank will tear through all other tanks tier 6 and lower, and in some cases, higher. Personally, I enjoyed the M6 much more than the 33601. It's feels faster and its higher ROF allows the player to unleash more chaos faster. The 3601 just seems to bounce many more shots than the M6, making it a better tank for a front line tank. The M6 requires you to be a bit more careful and have an escape route incase things get too hot and heavy. Overall, the M6 is my playstyle.

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I don't know about the M6 other than they look really good in my Jagdpanthers gun sight. I am just learning heavies but I seem to do better in the German and Russian heavies than the US ones. Probably because of my TD mentallity.

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View PostKrewed, on Jul 16 2012 - 23:18, said:

I don't know about the M6 other than they look really good in my Jagdpanthers gun sight. I am just learning heavies but I seem to do better in the German and Russian heavies than the US ones. Probably because of my TD mentallity.

Until you get into the T29 and really learn the US heavies, its hard to do well in them.

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uummmmmmm no. KV-1S is WWWWAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY  bettter. its faster, agile, A LOT BETTER GUN, with twice the damage. M6 with the 90 does like 200 or so while the KV-1S does 400+
i have had the m6, and it was the worst grind ever. EVER
but the M3Lee was a second close
the T29 is worth it though

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View PostMeSpankyYourTanky, on Jul 17 2012 - 01:42, said:

uummmmmmm no. KV-1S is WWWWAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY  bettter. its faster, agile, A LOT BETTER GUN, with twice the damage. M6 with the 90 does like 200 or so while the KV-1S does 400+
i have had the m6, and it was the worst grind ever. EVER
but the M3Lee was a second close
the T29 is worth it though

The KV-1S is more agile but its gun is hugely inferior. 15mm more pen and a LOT more hitting power, but the M6 has literally more than double the RoF, is immensely more accurate, and the difference in aim time is mind blowing.

You're also off about the alpha damage. The M6 does 240 on average while the KV-1S does 390. Still a big difference, but not enough offset how the M6, again, fires more than twice as fast and with much better accuracy and handling.

It also doesn't help that the KV-1S, like the other tanks in the KV family, suffer much worse module damage as well.

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View PostTupinambis, on Jul 17 2012 - 01:52, said:

The KV-1S is more agile but its gun is hugely inferior. 15mm more pen and a LOT more hitting power, but the M6 has literally more than double the RoF, is immensely more accurate, and the difference in aim time is mind blowing.

You're also off about the alpha damage. The M6 does 240 on average while the KV-1S does 390. Still a big difference, but not enough offset how the M6, again, fires more than twice as fast and with much better accuracy and handling.

It also doesn't help that the KV-1S, like the other tanks in the KV family, suffer much worse module damage as well.

its still better...




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