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The M6, possibly the best Tier 6 heavy.


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Boxhawk #61 Posted Jul 30 2012 - 19:07

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View PostWill_of_Iron, on Jul 29 2012 - 17:29, said:

What about the ARL 44? High pen gun, sloped armor, and fairly low profile.

They gave the 44 a great sniper gun, then gave it the view rate of Mr. Magoo.

Neogenex #62 Posted Jul 30 2012 - 19:16

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View PostIrostas, on Jul 30 2012 - 08:57, said:



On the fist sentence i agree, the American gun depression i think is the best in the game

On the second sentence, I also agree, the T29 is just awesome, and once you mount the 105mm, it gets better, great tank

Buuuuuuuuuut, I had a sad time during my M6, terrible losses and a poor win ratio, but if you´re having fun, congratz, see you on the field!

I have a bad win/loss on my T1 and M6, but I loved them. Always had fun.

alexsyl007 #63 Posted Jul 30 2012 - 19:30

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View Postremenents, on Jul 23 2012 - 15:23, said:

Go get your KV-1S, I will get my M6. No gold rounds. Bet I win. Your tank fires WAY to slow. It will take you 3-5 penetrating hits to kill me. In the time you fire those shots, I will have fired 2-3 times as many, killing you before you kill me.

I'm kinda siding with you too.......the KV-1S's gun is great and all but you have to remember, all Russian guns have that 'WTF factor', that is getting a 'bounce' or 'we didn't even scratch him' even with a gun from hell.......the KV-1S is also 'squishy' (for lack of a better word), you can practically shoot it from any angle, again, all Russian tanks are prone to ammo-racking and engine fires more easily than their American counterparts (I can't remember ever being on fire in my M6).......................but finally, you also have to agree that it will depend on individual player skills too............

Neogenex #64 Posted Jul 30 2012 - 20:13

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View Postalexsyl007, on Jul 30 2012 - 19:30, said:



I'm kinda siding with you too.......the KV-1S's gun is great and all but you have to remember, all Russian guns have that 'WTF factor', that is getting a 'bounce' or 'we didn't even scratch him' even with a gun from hell.......the KV-1S is also 'squishy' (for lack of a better word), you can practically shoot it from any angle, again, all Russian tanks are prone to ammo-racking and engine fires more easily than their American counterparts (I can't remember ever being on fire in my M6).......................but finally, you also have to agree that it will depend on individual player skills too............

I do agree it is based on player skill. 100%. Let's say for example a "bot" with exact same skill set on both tanks...I would be willing to bet that the M6 comes out the winner at least 80% of the time. It's just an all around better tank. I enjoy them both I think, but the M6 is flat out better. :)

mjhtank #65 Posted Jul 31 2012 - 18:52

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Here's my take. The M6 with a 75/76mm gun is ****. An M6 with a 90mm gun is a threat to many tier 8's plus all Tier 7's and below that.

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I had trouble grinding through the M6 but that was mainly because i was constantly being put it Tier 8-9 battles before I'd even unlocked it's real guns.  Because I always seemed to be outclassed armour/gun wise I switched to using Camo + Binoculars to become a real irritation.  Sometimes it worked sometimes not so much.

Sold it to buy the T29 but kinda wish I had the room in my garage to rebuy it, if only so I can play a decent heavy in US only Company Battles.

_Angry_ #67 Posted Oct 12 2012 - 16:39

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Did WG change the turret armor? I thought it was supposed to be 102mm, on mine it is 83mm.

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View PostBoxhawk, on Jul 30 2012 - 19:07, said:

They gave the 44 a great sniper gun, then gave it the view rate of Mr. Magoo.

LOL

The stats are better on the 44, both armor and gun. Im gonna buy it and find out

Edited by tls5669, Oct 12 2012 - 16:45.


934TXS #69 Posted Oct 17 2012 - 08:35

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After fully upgrading it, yeah it's the best tier 6 heavy...and really for any tier 6 when it comes to MM as well. I didn't want to like this tall ugly thing that absorbs rather than bounces shells, i really didn't. I've grown to like them even better than the tier 6 german mediums with their awesome 88 56's.

While there's only 2 strong contenders for best tier 6 heavy (this and the arl 44), I'd rather be the M6 unless I was totally exposed. The arl 44's 2 top guns are better for alpha damage, and you get a slight increase to armor/bullet bouncing, but those 2 top guns are a ton of extra xp to grind, and aren't made to "gun on the run" like the quicker firing & aiming 90 M3. The russian tier 6 heavies are just not my cup of tea, because you can't rely on their gun's long distance accuracy like the 90 M3, and if you miss with their top guns, you're borked for their long reload times. The M6 never misses that second or third shot on a target and it'll load a whole lot quicker. When you miss that second shot by a second as they fade into the brush or around a corner, the 90 M3 is the gun you'll have wanted instead.

The quick exceleration allows you to quickly pop around the corner and hit your opponent "usually" with a better gun than they have. And since the 90 has very good pen at tier 6, it allows you to get in a first very quick hit in because you can shoot any tier 7 just about anywhere and expect plenty of damage, and a quick loading second shot will usually be finishing them off.

At the top of the tier list, you can tank around with reckless abandon 1 or 2 shoting most everyone. In the middle of the tier list, it's likely you still may have one of the better guns and at the bottom of the tier list, you're fast enough to be a very decent tier 6 medium(just a little taller), with a gun that still damage every tank somewhere.

My main issue with it is...do I sell it for the T29(i don't have room for both) or keep the M6 for team battles?

Edited by 934TXS, Oct 17 2012 - 08:36.


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The 90 is awesome.  my stats on this tank suck because i ground it stock to the T29 once upon a time. but went and repurchased all my American heavies to play them again after getting to the T30.

with premium shells on the 90, its one of the best guns. always carried 5 premium shells with that gun until one day on Arctic region, the enemy maus broke through the north while i was on the south ramp in the east.  at 300 meters i was able to finish off the 450 hitpoint maus with three high velocity AP shells as it made its way to our base (two side shots, one rear shot).  from that point i realized the awesomeness of the 90.

OP, thanks for the pointer with the other gun. gonna have to look into that now.  I do that on other tanks sometimes, like putting the 90 on the T32 instead of the 105.

The two gunners is invaluable.  I take my badass 560% T29/34 crew that has BIA, and put them onto my M6 which still has a dedicated 100% gunner that also has BIA as the first maxxed skill. add Vent and the rest of the crew still works at 94%. pretty good deal that way.

1SLUGGO1 #71 Posted Nov 06 2012 - 01:59

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The M6 is "ok", the gun is ok, the front armor is ok, it maneuvers ok, hp is ok, it can hull-down ok.  The reason everyone thinks it is "best" is because, overall, it is not a one-trick pony like the other heavies, and actually feels closer to a heavy-medium, as the E2 is far more resilient.

The KV-1S is a glass cannon, for example.  If you play the ARL-44 properly (it is not a sniper), you can do just as well in it as the M6.  It requires a slightly different style, but not much so.  It cannot hull down as well, or maneuver, but its 90 can be just as threatening to higher tier tanks as the 152, and unlike any other tier 6 tank, it can actually bounce higher tier tank rounds off its front.

If the ARL has the viewrange of Mr. Magoo, then so does the KV-1S (they're the same 330m).

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Edited by Tupinambis, Nov 06 2012 - 02:02.


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I have recently repurchased my M6, and while I think KV-1S is still better for companies, the M6 is really under-rate because its armor is disappointing and it's very large - additionally, some of the good things about the M6 are hidden away in the game files and not visible in the garage. First the obvious: You have the best aim time of the tier6 heavies at 2.3 seconds. Additionally, you have the least amount of aim bloom on track movement among tier6 heavies, beating the ARL-44 by a huge margin, but only slightly edging out the KV-1S. Lastly, you have the least amount of aim bloom when turning the turret, beating all the other tier6 heavies noticeably - ARL-44 again being the worst.

So not only does your gun aim the fastest, maneuvering the tank also causes the aim circle to grow less than on the other tier6 heavies, further reducing the time required to aim an effective shot! Speaking of aiming, the 90mm M3 is tied with the 90mm DCA for most accurate gun on a tier6 heavy, but aims vastly faster due to the stated reasons - ARL-44 has terrible aim bloom everywhere, and the DCA 45 has a 3.4 second aim time on that tank. On top of all  that, the M6 has the highest dpm of the tier6 heavies unless you get lucky with HE pens or sling HEAT on the KV-2 - M6 beats KV-1S and ARL-44 by some 400 dpm, but only slightly edges out T-150.

So yes - the M6 does not take hits well - 102mm front with barely any slope, and 83mm turret front with a bad mantlet just is not reliable, not to mention the enormous, thin flanks - but the reasonable mobility, second only to KV-1S, and the top of the line soft stats on gun handling still make it a tank a skilled user can do very, very well in. I love mine as much as I love my Jumbo, T-150 and KV-1S.

FlorbFnarb #74 Posted Nov 26 2012 - 17:08

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M6 is the best in tier.  Mobility is a huge factor, on a par with the KV-1S.  The M6 is slower but better-accelerating.  The 90mm gun was made for hunting tanks like the KV-1S, since it's faster-aiming and more accurate.

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Good read.  There is a critical element or two on arguing alpha damage being double of another that has double the rate of fire of the opponent (when comparing KV1S and KV2 or any other similar high damage/slower reload tank to the M6.)

1) Who gets the first shot in?  (then let the trading begin).

2) No one gets 100% hit rate and no one gets 100% pen rate.  Misses hurt the the slower reloading tanker a lot more, especially if they didn't get the first shot in.

A rapid fire tank has better escability. Track n run if the shell trading wasn't working in the current battle.

IronHenry #76 Posted Dec 11 2012 - 07:25

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The M6 blows goats.  Blows long, blows hard.  It's not fast, it's got poor armor and it's a HUGE target you can't hide anywhere.  "Can't hit the broad side of a barn?  No problem, you can still hit and pen an M6, plus you can see it from across the map!"

It's got a decent gun, but it's much better on the slugger and the m18.

KV-1S is by far the most effective tier 6 heavy if you have it set up right and the crew skills to support it.

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View PostIronHenry, on Dec 11 2012 - 07:25, said:

The M6 blows goats.  Blows long, blows hard.  It's not fast, it's got poor armor and it's a HUGE target you can't hide anywhere.  "Can't hit the broad side of a barn?  No problem, you can still hit and pen an M6, plus you can see it from across the map!"

It's got a decent gun, but it's much better on the slugger and the m18.

KV-1S is by far the most effective tier 6 heavy if you have it set up right and the crew skills to support it.

It's the same speed as most of the American heavies, its tracks eat shells on a regular basis and its gun commands respect.

Having played, and enjoyed, the KV-1S, I'd still take the M6 over it.

As for having a tank set up right and having the skills to support it, you can make this argument for just about every tank.

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In general I find in the game multiple shots harder to pull off and way more dangerous then a single shot thus the Alpha of the KV-1S tends to give it a boost and I think in general this is what makes its reputation more then anything.  Personally I had skipped the tank as it always seemed so ehh to me could kill them easily, have since gone back and picked it up and enjoy it.

Thought M6 straight up should slaughter a KV-1S, I tend to enjoy shredding them with my M6.  Its 90 is very over looked and in general M6 seems to get ignored I noticed... fine by me.

Add on the M6 as it can reload faster, almost 8 rounds a minute (7.89 vs 3.75) leads to it being able to defend itself better against an enemy rush gives it back a good edge.  KV-1s in similar situation hurts someone bad then dies, M6 may die but its going to hurt them bad.

Its a fine line in the end if ya hit KV-1S hurts alot but if it misses waiting on that reload is mighty painful.  While a M6 missing not nearly as painful.

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View PostGasboy, on Dec 11 2012 - 15:27, said:

It's the same speed as most of the American heavies, its tracks eat shells on a regular basis and its gun commands respect.

Having played, and enjoyed, the KV-1S, I'd still take the M6 over it.

As for having a tank set up right and having the skills to support it, you can make this argument for just about every tank.
None of the american heavies are fast.  The others can effectively hull down though, M6 not so much.  It's tracks eat low tier shells.  Anything tier 6 or higher is going to track it and do damage.

Look at it this way.  I've got a 55% win rate over all.  I've got 60% win rate in the 1s, 59% in the slugger, 67% in the hellcat, but can barely manage 49% win rate in that pos.  Nearly 1200 battles and almost every american tank played extensively.  The M6 blows.

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View PostIronHenry, on Dec 12 2012 - 08:49, said:

None of the american heavies are fast.  The others can effectively hull down though, M6 not so much.  It's tracks eat low tier shells.  Anything tier 6 or higher is going to track it and do damage.

Look at it this way.  I've got a 55% win rate over all.  I've got 60% win rate in the 1s, 59% in the slugger, 67% in the hellcat, but can barely manage 49% win rate in that pos.  Nearly 1200 battles and almost every american tank played extensively.  The M6 blows.

If a 49%er can get 50% in it, with more games won in it than you have played, the M6 does not blow.




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