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 BaddParrot, on Jul 18 2012 - 20:49, said:

Uhh I dont want a limit. Thats looks fun counter-barrage insanity. I know non-artyplayers want the one dimensional lets drive around until we see each other and then shoot at each other game, arty however wants to sniff out the unseen through tracers and fire at the invisible while praying your target is just a lil slower then the shell, all while dodging CB yourself. That match looks freakiong fun. PS I hope the team with the lil vk scout got some good scouting out of that tank. All that arty is a definite role changer.

Someone was saying that to implement the OPT out option to allow people to opt out of certain game modes would screw up MM. But how so?
Is it that certain modes won't get enough players?
If so, then why is it that I rarely see a standard mode anymore?
Such as El Halluf. I only ever see it as assault. Can't remember the last time I saw it as standard and I am always on the same side, never the opposite.

 Sandman1969, on Jul 21 2012 - 18:28, said:

The maps with the second game type option seem to have their frequency set to about 3/4 of the time. I and others have now been in hundreds of these battles and you usually get one standard battle on these maps for every 3 or 4 assault or encounters. I'd really prefer if they put the alt game mode frequency down to about 50:50 so we still get to play standard battles on those maps commonly.

 BaddParrot, on Jul 18 2012 - 20:49, said:

Aside from the sheer stupidity of that much arty in one game, it highlights another aspect of MM that I have been banging on about for ages that probably won't be addressed by the 7.5 changes.  In any game with high tier arty, only one team getting a scout tank constitutes a huge advantage over the other team.  I've played in a bunch of games in recent times with multiple big artys but only one fast scout in the game & the outcome (unless the scout is a very poor or very unlucky player) is the same each time.

One step at a time & I don't want to sound ungrateful for the mm changes in 7.5!!!  I love my mid tier tanks & no-one could be happier than me for the tighter teir spreads, but until the vehicle imbalance (scouts as mentioned or one team getting 3 mediums as their top tanks, the other 3 heavies etc) is sorted out, matchmaker will still be more of a negative factor than it should be.

 Coolhand_Luke, on Jul 13 2012 - 22:22, said:

Agree !

For the better players, you MAY survive longer, thus doing more damage.

My Pz IV doesnt care if it pens an IS-3 or a VK3601.  If it pens, it damages.  I'd rather get hit by an 88 than the BL-9, as happens now.

My German crews are passing the Jaeger and singing.

Should be a fun night playing.

 2_minutes_hate, on Jul 21 2012 - 16:08, said:

I wanna be the E-50 in THAT game !

 OUTLAWBilly_Mays, on Jul 13 2012 - 22:30, said:

Agree, Thanks this time.

Most matches on test server seemed more balanced.  There was almost a tank-for-tank-match.

Even in the lower tiers, it was more....... enjoyable.  Even with the mad TK'ing (yup, finally happened to me.  Once.).



Potential here, real potential.

 GeneralDirection, on Jul 18 2012 - 19:37, said:

  As the Mod even admited too,  The MM changes have nothing to do with all our complaints.  TBH,  I have never felt like complaining on the NA server forums has ever done any good anyway.  The dev's that have any say in game changes would read the ru forums if any.

With the Major MM changes, My 2 post were just pointing out, Why stop there, If your fixing somthing do it right.  Stop people from platooning a t1 Cunningham with a IS7 & bringing it into our t10 matches & Limit the arty's.

  I don't want to sound like a Hipocrite.  I play arty a Little too.  But even the arty players don't want to have to compete with 6 others on their team for kills/exp or money.  Kinda sucks when you fire & the same dead tank and hit it 4 more times huh?

  I also didn't want to sound ungreatfull,   The MM changes are good & a step in the right direction.  It has been harder for the Lowbee's to grind their t4-t7 tanks constantly getting thrown into high lvl matches as fish bait.

  Thanks.

Sorry,

   Again I have to reply.  This was a match from 5 mins ago.   I took a few Screen shots with alot more "MM comments then the ones here.  Just thought this is the place & time to share.  Count them, another 18 arty match~

 AuronFtw, on Jul 20 2012 - 10:34, said:

The only problem with your suggestion is people WILL game the system. How? They will work out which vehicles share only one battle level. They will platoon. The higher vehicle will, as a result, NEVER have to face the highest battle level it otherwise would on its own.

Suppose tier 4 faces 4-6 as its highest. Tier 6 faces 6-8. They platoon. The only overlap per your suggestion is a 4-6 battle. If you set it so that platoon ONLY ever gets 4-6 battles, that tier 6 has now made sure it never plays in a battle where it is not top tier.

I can promise you people WILL do it. Hell, MM for tier 6 in particular has been so rotten if you play when I do that I would gladly game the system to make up for all those battles where I've been stuck at the arse end of massed tiers 8-9 (and even tier 10 as a tier 6 heavy). In fact, Company battles are a way of doing this; they allow you to avoid MM. Only difference is they are cumbersome to set up when there are only 7-9k players online, which is common for the times I play from Australia.

I have written MANY, MANY times that they should not allow vehicles to platoon who do not belong in the same matches in their own rights. As you said, an error message is the simple way to do that.

It would ALSO be really nice if a vehicle's MM range could be shown in the tech tree, the store, and the garage. At least people might get some idea of the idiotic matches they are going to be made to endure in their new, 50% crew, first-time-as-tier-4 A-20.

But those things are further refinements. The +/-2 tiers is the first change of REAL significance we've seen.

Mind you, I do NOT agree with them moving Type 59s down on the MM; how are they not capable of fighting tier 10s if a stock Pershing with a 160mm pen gun is, for example?

The more tier 8 premiums they exclude from tier 10 matches, the more those vehicles are going to drag tier 6s into their battles, which will mean fewer tier 4-6 and 5-7 battles for those tier 6s. But I guess we'll see.

 ToothDecay, on Jul 22 2012 - 02:54, said:

IKR, What is it with those crazy russians. Guess they must be grumpy about the lack of chiropractors to deal with the damage from the massive chip they are carrying around.

Dan

No happy from me until I see the T-50's nerfed. I am tired of trying to shoot at something I have no hope of even tracking then watching it ram and destroy our arty with zero chance of defending. It's nonsense and has no business in the game unless you intend on adding motorcycle or jeep scouts. But this should be a different rant. Glad to see the changes otherwise.

 BaddParrot, on Jul 22 2012 - 20:36, said:

I would rather wait in a queue than sit through in a match like that..

 BaddParrot, on Jul 18 2012 - 20:49, said:

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SImply put, a tank involved in a battle should have the possibility to damage all tanks in said battle!   Some are going to have better armor, speed, bigger gun, ect..., but this is where player ability should come into play.   I am looking forward to balanced play based on ability and strategy, not on the random feeding of higher teir by the under equiped lower teir.

 VonChoker, on Jul 21 2012 - 12:14, said:

Same, but don't forget the valentine (with also same MM) that has the canon of the MS-1 :/

So, explain it to me like I am a 6 year old. How is it that my tier 5 chaffee will end up in tier 12 battles, but a tier 6 light tank will not? You make no sense whatsoever. Please fix it, it's ridiculous.
That crap about speed, stealth, and agility is just that, crap. What's the survival statistics on light tanks? While this game struggles with some elements of realism, the spotting mechanics render the stealth mode of a tier 5 tank in a tier 10 battle completely useless. By the time a player is running tier 9 and 10 tanks, their crews are very seasoned and spot tanks quite easily.

That is as constructive as I choose to be after having my ass shot off yet again! While some glib IS-4 driver tells me, I'm a scout, get used to it....

 2_minutes_hate, on Jul 21 2012 - 16:08, said:

dear GOD. no matter how you look at it, that map is going to turn into a campfest. i want a game at where i don't have to worry about people 1 shotting me from 700m away. i want a game at where i can go, and laugh as i use skill to obliterate my enemies.

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