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[Silty]

It's a little better than the short 88 now, with a little less alpha damage and a little more penetration.  It actually has respectable DPM now.  I still have my doubts at tier 7, but at tier 6 it's more than good enough, since that's what the thread is about.

[SapphireFox]

Can someone please copy paste the exact stats from the "NEW" 85mm gun. I'd like to know exactly how much of a buff this gun is getting. I have a T-34-85 so I really would like to know how much I'm going to be screwed or not.

Edited by SapphireFox, Jul 17 2012 - 16:22.

[Rincer]

The problem with the 85mm was also the long aim time, so despite the accuracy its still very hard to snipe with it. Does anybody actually have the data from the test server to tell us what the new 85mm stats are?

[Reinmand]

For me, WG seems to be heading in a bad direction.  I am sad to see the high alpha guns being taken away.  I would rather them nerf their pen if they had too.  But they seem to be taking away some of the variety, and making all of the tanks play the same, at least in terms of damage dealing.  Low damage high ROF guns for all.

High alpha can be nice, but it can also get you killed, one bounce, one miss, leaves you very vulnerable.   If everyone has a low alpha, high rof gun, then it turns it into some sort of stupid toe to toe slugfest.  Boring!!!!!!   What makes it fun to have some tanks wanting to get into view, and then have to hide to enjoy his alpha damage.

And other tanks with high ROF that need to stay in view to reaize their higher DPM.  IF everyone has a high ROF, then you end up with both tanks wanting to keep LOS.  And that makes it Boring.  It will come down to drive up, and let the RNG decide who wins.

[Kingkrieg]

SapphireFox, on Jul 17 2012 - 16:22, said:

Can someone please copy paste the exact stats from the "NEW" 85mm gun. I'd like to know exactly how much of a buff this gun is getting. I have a T-34-85 so I really would like to know how much I'm going to be screwed or not.

I second this

[LordYinYang]

Rincer, on Jul 17 2012 - 22:14, said:

The problem with the 85mm was also the long aim time, so despite the accuracy its still very hard to snipe with it. Does anybody actually have the data from the test server to tell us what the new 85mm stats are?

Wish granted.
7.4

Spoiler

7.5

Spoiler

Really, the gun becomes more dynamic.  If you look in 7.4, there isn't any variation, on all 5 tanks it's mounted on, It's the same from the T-34-85 all the way to the T-44.  They also lowered the rate of fire in general on the T-34-85 and KV-13 (I haven't looked at the T43 and T-44 yet, but it's safe to assume that they have a higher rate of fire).

[Target_7]

Will those of us with the 100 already mounted on the 34-85 get any sort of compensation when it is removed, i.e, creds or exp refunds??

[Contused]

With the tighten MM this new 85mm should be a nice replacement to the D10T gun on the T-34/85...

... still...

... I'm going to miss that behemoth of a damaging dealing gun. It was the one solitary reason I perferred my T-34/85 over my E8.

[amaROenuZ]

Hopefully there will be improved shells on the T-43 and T-44. The two of them -will- see T9/T10 tanks, so the pen as it is will be almost wholly insufficient. On the T-34-85, sure, it's fine, but not so much with the T-43.

[PanzerHyeena]

amaROenuZ, on Jul 19 2012 - 21:43, said:

Hopefully there will be improved shells on the T-43 and T-44. The two of them -will- see T9/T10 tanks, so the pen as it is will be almost wholly insufficient. On the T-34-85, sure, it's fine, but not so much with the T-43.

It's more of a problem for the T-43 than the T-44, the T-44 doesn't use the 85 in anyway in its top configuration; it uses either the 100mm LB-1 or the 122mm D-25-44.

[LeuCeaMia]

LordYinYang, on Jul 19 2012 - 17:40, said:

Really, the gun becomes more dynamic.  If you look in 7.4, there isn't any variation, on all 5 tanks it's mounted on, It's the same from the T-34-85 all the way to the T-44.  They also lowered the rate of fire in general on the T-34-85 and KV-13 (I haven't looked at the T43 and T-44 yet, but it's safe to assume that they have a higher rate of fire).

It fires at 10.71 with 2.9 aimtime on the T-44's top turret, I've only seen the T-43 getting the fast aim time.

[Fazar]

sukhoi_vegas, on Jul 14 2012 - 03:39, said:

Until they up the pen on the 85mm, it is not a good replacement for the 100mm.  Considering the T-43 will end up in games against tier 9s, the 85mm is a joke.  At least the 100mm you could scare a tier 9 if you knew where to aim.

3001DB seems to do fine with a gun with less penetration. / KV-13

Edited by Fazar, Jul 20 2012 - 22:53.

[del1001671089]

Target_7, on Jul 19 2012 - 18:28, said:

Will those of us with the 100 already mounted on the 34-85 get any sort of compensation when it is removed, i.e, creds or exp refunds??

Or more to the point if I have the 100 mounted but have not researched the 85, do I get it for free?

[DarkElf]

LordYinYang, on Jul 19 2012 - 17:40, said:

Wish granted.
7.4

Spoiler

7.5

Spoiler

Really, the gun becomes more dynamic.  If you look in 7.4, there isn't any variation, on all 5 tanks it's mounted on, It's the same from the T-34-85 all the way to the T-44.  They also lowered the rate of fire in general on the T-34-85 and KV-13 (I haven't looked at the T43 and T-44 yet, but it's safe to assume that they have a higher rate of fire).

hmm i don't understand the new variation, what's tank that supposed to get the worst possible RoF and aiming time? T34-85 is the lowest tier tank that can use new 85mm gun, is it going to receive worst RoF and aiming time? If yes the new 85mm would be downgrade for T34-85 compare to old 85mm

[ComradeHX]

DarkElf, on Jul 23 2012 - 10:48, said:

hmm i don't understand the new variation, what's tank that supposed to get the worst possible RoF and aiming time? T34-85 is the lowest tier tank that can use new 85mm gun, is it going to receive worst RoF and aiming time? If yes the new 85mm would be downgrade for T34-85 compare to old 85mm

DPS is not decreased and alpha is increased for T-34-85; I would call that a buff because higher level has lower aim time and higher dps.

Considering shells cost remains same and everything...

New engine is going to make T-34-85 more in-line with T-34 playstyle which is more enjoyable(and takes more skill overall) than turreted-TD style of play for 100mm on T-34-85.

Has anyone used this on IS?  Does IS have lowest aim time and highest rof?

Edited by ComradeHX, Jul 23 2012 - 11:18.

[darkdog9]

The change to the t-43 sounds bad i mean with the change to MM and the t-34-85 only seeing upto tier 8 the new 85mm will work fine but the t-43 that will see tier 9's its gonna pretty much be a 3002db without the armor or accuracy. (i hated the 3002db 132 pen at tier 7 is a joke)

I think we can all agree that the t-34-85 had a op gun for tier 6 but at tier 7 the 100mm is just fine less pen but higher alpha then the panther's long 75mm and equal to or less then the 90mm on the t20.

[TheKommandant]

I'll check it out, (I'll have to) but I certainly ain't looking forward to the changes.

[caotaiman]

Still better than the jagdpanzer 4 though...